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[–] [email protected] 117 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tuberculosis has entered the chat.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, Salmonella.. It's the Macy's parade equivalent of preventable diseases by UHT and y'all been invited!

On the other hand, unrefrigerated raw milk is a fantastic way of meeting who's who of the bacterial world.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago

For some people it's the only culture they'll ever have.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

But it's natural! And natural always means it's good for you, because I'm scared of chemicals despite not knowing what a chemical is because I can't pronounce their names!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yup

This post is stupid

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I think there is confusion between raw milk, pasteurized milk and UHT milk. Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated but it tastes horrible.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago

Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated…

While it’s still sealed. Once opened, it needs to be refrigerated.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’m that weird guy who prefers the cooked taste of UHT pasteurized milk.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Another weird UHT enjoyer here. If it weren't so expensive where I'm at then I'd be having it more often

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I hope it at least pleases you to know that in places where UHT milk is the norm, pasteurised milk is more expensive and sometimes simply not available. (I somewhat prefer that flavour)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

There is decent UHT milk but it's by no means the majority of the market.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's a reason the milk man used to deliver every day

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Why do you automatically discount your dad from being banged by the milk man as well?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

The milkman always comes twice.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't get it. Isnt all milk to be refrigerated?

[–] [email protected] 112 points 2 months ago (15 children)

the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just about every dairy product (butter, cheese, whey, buttermilk) was made as a way to keep milk safe for consumption. Rejecting pasteurization, which is just slightly warming up milk is incredibly obtuse and reeks of deliberate ignorance

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot of continental Europeans drink UHT which only needs refrigerating once opened.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

UHT is the opposite of raw milk.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I meant ULTRA heat-treated.

Beyond pasteurized.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't raw milk have an even shorter shelf life?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on how you look at it. Raw milk spoils at the same pace as [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk. Only for raw milk the counter starts ticking once the milk leaves the cow, whereas [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk remains sterile until you open the package.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pasteurised doesn't equal sterilised. Not sure ofcourse where you live since apparently that matters for this term since some places used pasteurised for what is double pasteurization and thermized for single pasteurization.

I know the pasteurised milk I buy will spoil in a matter of days, even if unopened. The only milk that will stay good unopened for months us UHT.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

in a way, no, because raw milk is already unsafe to drink by the time it's packaged

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So it doesn't turn into yogurt?

My fridge isn't full of raw milk or anything, but I think this goose is a better fit for the oven than guard duty.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

Not sure if you're joking but to make safe to eat yogurt, you'll need to first kill the bad ones by heat, then cool it and once it is barren, you should invite the cool guys in like Lactobacillus bulgaricus, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lactobacillus acidophilus or Bifidobacterium lactis, they'll need to be kept cosy and warm, and that will give you yogurt.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

It's a bit like making alcohol—it's made through fermentation, but you want it to be very controlled.

Normally you'd want to sterilize the starting mix first to kill any undesired molds and bacteria, add the fermenting agent that you want (lactic acid producing bacteria in this case) and age it in a sealed container until ready.

If it starts with any contaminants or if any are introduced during fermentation, it'd spoil the batch and make you very sick if ingested.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

regular milk also needs to be refrigerated tho

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If your objective is to get sick then it needs to kept room in temperature.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

The only acceptable use for raw milk is cheese. Give me a raw milk camembert any day.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is such a dumb take. I don't trust raw milk, but those that do aren't arguing it won't spoil at room temperature. Like, I support buying local, free-range chicken meat. But if someone came up to me and said "Oh yea? Well if you like chicken without antibiotics and preservatives, why do you still refrigerate it?!" I'd look at them like a fucking idiot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Maybe the joke isn't particularly fair, maybe it doesn't really need to be.

You have logical reasons to avoid antibiotics and preservatives. Someone might not agree, but whatever the case, you made that decision based on some amount of evidence.

Raw milk though... I think the meme is correct to equate anger with pasteurization as a denial of germ theory. We pasteurize and refrigerate for the same reason: to keep bacteria from growing. It is a fair question: if pasteurization is unnecessary, why is refrigeration necessary? Avoiding preservatives doesn't beg the same question.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

OP definitely has some brain worms. RFK is that you?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

if you want cold milk just add ice

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes, officer, this one right here.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Do you guys really drink milk? I don't think I've had a glass of milk since I was like 14.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I will have milk with things like cookies or chocolate cake. And milk is mandatory for Oreos.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My family used to drink milk for dinner. We probably went through ten liters of milk in a week. The top third of the fridge was always reserved for milk.

When i moved out i continued doing this for a while or eating cornflakes in milk, but eventually stopped because my adult body is not that fond of digesting milk. I eat crazy amounts of cheese though, but the well cured one that are low on lactose.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I have 4 kids between 16 and 6. I buy 6x 3L bottles of milk at a time and it barely lasts a week.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

About 0,5L per day, yes

I like milk

It also goes into some of the food

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