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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I can’t tell if I hate cats or love cats but they are never neutral. In fact there is a wild one in my house right now

I don’t even know why is he in my house or how it happened but at this point I think we tolerate each other pretty good. He gets the hose sometimes, I get his piss hose on the floor sometimes. He gets the snacks, I get the purr and fluffiness. I guess I can live with this chaotic balance.

I guess for someone who likes to control things cats could be a nightmare as they will never be some obedient pets but that may tell more about the owner than the cat.

Kinda sucks that my floor and sofa is ruined tho, it’s like a mini tiger, wildlife in your house. I guess this is the pleasures of completely feral cats. It’s possible that with this experience I could take on some caracal or serval. Of course I am not crazy nor I approve to do this but I have a glimpse of what mindset and work it would take

The Cat is also a menace that cannot stand sight of any other cat and goes straight for the throat. Little fluffy psycho, quite lovely

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

will never be some obedient pet

I find it odd that people think that. Mine are all incredibly well-behaved. I mean, I invested time in training them but it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. I think the secret is being consistent and correcting the behavior as it's happening. They're smart enough to know when they're doing something wrong. Oh, they know! Lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love cats, but I also love my plants, and despise the odor of a used litter box. Therefore, I cannot have cats. It sucks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

So we got that expensive robot litter box and you can't smell it unless you're emptying it. It has made cat care so much easier.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (29 children)

DO NOT feed strangers cats. Water is fine. If you feed it, at best you're fucking up its diet, at worst you're basically abducting the cat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have many strays we are trying to rescue amd until then they get fed and if some rando is letting their cat out to eat whatever the heck then find (and steal my food) on my property that's the cat's owner being the asshole. I'm trying to help needy cats and I can't even oht traps down to get them medical attention because I could end up catching some irresponsible person's cat.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cat is abducting itself. They’re not dogs. They’re rarely loyal.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They’re rarely loyal.

I condemn this anti-feline propaganda

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well I mean i would probably take in an alligator if it came through my window

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Sir, this is a Wendy's, you cannot keep the gator just because it was thrown through the window...

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alligator can have the whole house, actually. It's okay, I'll move 👍

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

But then the alligator will be lonely :(

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I don't know about that human baby thing.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

IIRC, it's more that they over time figure out what sounds and actions get their owner's attention. We respond better, unconsiously or otherwise when they meow at us.

My old cat figured out, before I did, that if she knocks shit off the coffee table I get up and check if her bowl is empty.

Generally wild/feral adult cats are more or less mute outside of anger/mating/territory calls, but domesticated cats keep their kitten vocalizations if we respond to them.

My current cat is very vocal and we responded playfully to his meowing as he grew up.

Edit: Here's a scientific american blog/article about it. I don't think it's something we have confirmation on, just a good hunch.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah that seems really far fetched. Humans are generally bad at communicating with mostly body posture and scent. We have no tail to wiggle, no easily movable ears and no chance to use cat pheromones.

So naturally the cat has the best chance to get a response by using vocalication/sounds. It is just coincidence that their kittens do also mostly respond to sounds in their first weeks.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did they model their meows, or did they have a trait that happened to work in a new environment and then pass it on?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From my understanding, wild cats only meow when little and domesticated cats keep this juvenile trait into adulthood

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, but the question is if they model their meows to sound like human infants. We know they changed their behavior to meow when wanting attention from us. But I'd be willing to bet they didn't model their meows to sound like that. They just happen to sound like that because they're small animals with high pitch voices.

[–] Revan343 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

"They modelled their meows to sound like human infants" implies active intent, but (I'm sure you know) that's not how evolution actually works. If the theory is correct, their meows would naturally evolve to sound more like babies because those are the cats that we would be more likely to take care of, whereas cats with meows that sounded less like our babies would be less likely to be taken care of, and thus less likely to reproduce.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

There's a good chance that it's just a mammalian trait that predates modern humans or house cats. Pretty much all mammals require some extra protection and care when they are young and vulnerable, so it being common among other mammals isn't exactly surprising.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

To my knowledge that's a lot of how domestication winds up being.

What I found interesting was a study when they tried to domesticate silver foxes for the fur industry (because basically they didn't take to being raised in fur farms well). So basically they were selectively bread for not being aggressive to humans.

Which worked, but the drawbacks were effectively... all of their childlike traits remained. IE their ears stayed floppy, and they stopped growing the silver coat that was the whole reason the fur industry wanted them.

Basically I think it could be said that effectively... most domestication traits are more or less, keeping childlike mentality for life in animals.

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