Less screens? Why does a car even need one screen?
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2025
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You can prise my windscreen from my cold dead hands.
You afraid of getting bugs in your teeth? Coward. ^/s^
😂👍
Reversing camera
Those things would be way more useful if they had a wider FOV. I hate how most people now use them as the only way of checking behind them when backing up, because you really can't see shit well enough for that. It's meant for seeing something small and close that even physically turning around to look, you wouldn't see it. Like an animal or a child directly behind you.
All they've done is make people drive less safe because so many people just stare at the fucking camera screen instead of actually turning their head and checking their blind spots.
They are called rear vision mirrors/ side mirrors, and neck muscles.
You can't see something small right behind you with that.
It served humanity just fine for decades. My car is 25 years old and never ran anything over. Look before you get in, check your mirrors, crane your neck, look over your shoulder, activate parts of your brain. I plan on never owning one of these over complicated modern cars. You do you though I guess.
Your position is that rear view cameras didn’t save any lives?
If you’d used one you would know they show you angles you can’t see otherwise.
If it works for you, all good. It's not for me though 👍
Before anyone forgets, this all started with Tesla. They lacked the skill, talent, know how, money and manufacturing capacity to make a decent center console. They then decided to move everything to the touchscreen because software is cheap to add to cars, thousands of small precision engineered objects are not. It was a margins game by the man "with the most knowledge on manufacturing in the world". The rest of the industry followed because the bougie idiots made the brand so popular "they could not be doing something wrong, right?". Queue the competitors copying that absolutely regarded idea. Everyone calling this regarded, was screamed into oblivion by tesla fanboys and design savants: "You're just too dumb to understand minimalist design". And here we are, turns out designing something that makes the driver take their eyes off the road on a 2000Kg murder machine is actually NOT good design.
Also it accelerates the design-to-manufacture cycle of a new model - just slap a huge touch screen on it and start building the car, and hope the software is ready in time. If not, well, just ship it as is and patch it later.
~~regarded~~ r.tarded, right?
Edit, .lm-censoring
While we're at it get rid of retina frying headlights. Sure, you can see great but I'm blind as I drive into you at night. At least make it so they don't look like point sources and can't aim upwards.
Also make the auto headlight setting the default if the car is in drive. Too many people driving in the twilight with no headlights on.
People do that on purpose, there’s a huge aftermarket for 10x brighter headlights.
common EU w
"Don't stare at your phone but instead stare at this screen that controls your car."
Wait, which car models lack that for “hazard warning lights, indicators, windshield wipers, SOS calls, and the horn”?
Don’t get me wrong, I agree these need physical buttons or similar. But everyone is celebrating as if it’s for things I’ve seen hidden behind touch or capacitive buttons in the cars I’ve driven and that really annoy me, like temperature, volume, mute, and cruise control inputs. Or have I just not driven the worst of the worst (Tesla).
Tesla, tesla lacks all of those
They don't have a physical horn? Wtf..
I've only been in a Tesla with an Uber driver, so not paid attention to it... but no indicator or wiper control?
Jeez.
I've had a couple of cars with automatic wipers and they're not that great... Having no controls would do my head in
That's not true, though. At least in 2022 models the indicator is in the standard place, and wipers are controllable via a button and scroller.
The latest models seem to have gone crazier on this though. Along with its owner I guess.
All older car models have all the physical controls, but sadly that's not how it goes currently
No wiper controls, indicators are a touch control on the wheel...
Which are really easy to use when you have to indicate you are going to leave the next exit on a roundabout, btw. Just gotta take your eyes off the road to hunt where they've moved to, take your hand off the wheel, and boop the capacitive touch button. Easy!
So easy that Norway is banning the use of Teslas for driving schools.
That’s insane.
Good.
Next please go after the animated indicator lights that take way too much time to realise the car in front of you is turning and not playing snake. Fuck you, Audi, and all the others tha copied this absolute bullshit of an idea.
Only if mandatory rear lights come back as well. Having them animate in the direction they are going to turn is very helpful when the car has no other rear lights whatsoever.
I genuinely don't see the problem with those. Amber lights on the left side of the car light up, that can only mean one thing. There is no ambiguity there whether they're playing snake or just flashing. I have never, on no occasion, found myself confused by those.
I find them distracting. There are useful innovations, and there are pointless gimmicks.
Huh. I think it looks kind of cool? Is it that hard to see?
It's distracting.
I like it, wish mine did that 😎
Is it possible that you're just following too close if you feel these new turn signals aren't fast enough for you to react?
Is it possible that you have not been driving for the last 35 years seeing a solid block of flashing light, so your brain is not yet hardwired to recognise that and only that?
Drove a new pickup the other day, upper trim model. Felt like I was driving a luxury car. Even had hands-free driving in some areas. Those parts were amazing.
Absolutely hated the infotainment and other automatic systems. A giant clusterfk of poorly designed, non-intuitive, frustrating systems that did unexpected things or took too much time to set up. The nice tech was completely overshadowed by the over-engineered junk.
A giant clusterfk of poorly designed, non-intuitive, frustrating systems that did unexpected things or took too much time to set up
That sounds heavily under engineered, not the other way around.
What i suspect happens is, a good design gets made. It is then "improved" by the M.B.A. having class.
Then marketing gets their say, useless shit and third party add-ons sloppily slapped on top.
Enter another round of "economizing" and a perfectly good design becomes enshittified.
sounds like europe is really sending a very loud, deafining FUCK YOU to elon and tesla.
and I am absolutely here for it.
Not just them, but a lot of the car platforms coming out of China right now, including Volvo cars. I have an EX40, which has a lot of physical buttons, and a physical lever for the glove compartment (🤯), but when I tried the EX30 I was blown away by the poor driving experience. So crappy. Everything is done via the screen, and it sucks. Not even a speed indicator in front of the driver, but you have to glance over to the center screen.
Also the one-pedal drive was really bad on the EX30, but that's another story. I also hated the gear lever behind the wheel instead of a stick between the driver and passenger seat.
While this does fuck him, it's also sound safety science. Touch screens have made cars less safe. It just so happens that Musk's company makes shitty unsafe cars which got rid of buttons to cut costs.
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Fucking finally.
I’m actually a fan of big screens, HOWEVER they should be limited to being an actual “infotainment” system only. All essential controls should be buttons, switches, and dials.
My vote is:
- Button layouts that have worked for 20-30 years
- Heads-up displays for readouts of current values. Mph/kmph is displayed by default and the display temporarily changes when something like volume, heat, radio station, track, etc. is adjusted
Best of both worlds
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