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    [–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (49 children)

    This is gonna be an unpopular opinion here but telling people who have used Windows their entire lives to just switch to Linux as if it's that easy is entirely unhelpful and makes the Linux community look elitist and out of touch.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    I mean... they are out of touch. I'm sure its possible to have a pain free switch over but when I had trouble the advice was interspersed with quite a few caveats. In essence Linux is 'easy to setup but...' Still gonna try again though, also guys that laptop you all said was dying because linux made it crash is still working fine on windows with no sign of trouble.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

    I think I understand your broader point as saying that a switch to Linux being as simple as switching from Coors to Miller is underselling the fact that Linux is a fairly different environment/ecosystem. You’re right on that. But as someone who’s made a switch to Linux (Ubuntu) after a lifetime of other OS use, I have to say that I think it’s worth it, even with the learning curve.

    I have been exclusively a Mac user and Apple cultist for at least twenty years now and only knew Windows (3.0-ME) prior to that. I have a few 2011 Intel Macs that I use for work and home exclusively (two of which were hand-me-downs) and have not been receiving updates for awhile now. I’m not in the financial position to buy a new computer and I randomly read that Ubuntu runs great on these old Macs. So I decided to give it a try. It was a bit of work that was bolstered by the fact that I do have a bit more computer know-how than the average person (but nowhere near most of the people I see on the Fediverse). But I’ve come to love it and am now working my way over to this being a permanent change.

    I’m only sharing this as an example that even deeply entrenched people can learn to use this stuff. And I was a Mac guy! Apple holds your hands and does so much thinking for you! I’d think with Windows, the switch over to something like Mint would be fairly easy, given the GUI (I specifically chose Ubuntu over Mint because Mint’s GUI is described as “Windows-like” and I personally hate all things Microsoft—which is definitely a “me problem” lol—but I’m probably going to load it onto an older ThinkPad of my wife’s that we want to set up for our son).

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Life is a long learning experience. Installing (or asking that nerdy relative to install) a Linux distro is no biggie anymore and when picking a good all-around distro like Mint, for example, pretty much anyone who has some basic experience on computers can do it.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

    I do agree that life is a learning experience, but I might say that you're overestimating what "basic experience on computers" means, and I tend to find that this is fairly typical of people who have more advanced skills because this stuff is basic to us. But we can sometimes lack perspective in that regard.

    Basic experience on computers for most people means "can use Office apps, can send emails, can more or less use the internet". Essentially, they can use the computer for their work or for some light entertainment. It certainly doesn't mean that they know how to or that they even can configure the BIOS to boot from a USB, or for that matter what the BIOS is or that it exists. It doesn't mean that they can use the terminal, or use WINE to run their favourite Windows applications or troubleshoot an operating system that is entirely alien to them. I'd even go as far as to say that most people don't even know what an operating system is - to them, Windows is the computer and they don't know or care about anything different. This is the kind of person I'm talking about. Everything you said might as well be Ancient Greek to that person.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

    I can read the manual that comes with a camera and it will teach me how to set it up and take some pictures. Most (at least all that I've used) linux distros have something similar. Unless there's some sort of incompatibility with your system it should not be an issue. If you do have problems you get to choose whether or not to troubleshoot them but in my experience doing so on Linux is a lot easier.

    When I first set up Ubuntu I was astonished by the fact that I could just download a windows executable and double-click to start it. But I loved how simple it was to download stuff using the package manager.

    I had a bit of experience with the Windows terminal and had been coding for two years at that point so I was able to almost fully switch over within two weeks and found it significantly easier.

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    [–] nul42 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Switching from Windows to Linux on an older computer is like when you finally get around to clearing the bathtub drain after years of hair and crud building up. Who knew a bath could drain that fast!? And now there's no pool of water building up when I shower. Anyway, I highly recommend both Linux and clearing the drains.

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

    Nice analogy. I should clean my shower.

    [–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (21 children)

    The simple fact is there will always be that one little thing that stops windows users fron switching. If 99.999999% of all windows software worked on Linux windows users would say "well ill switch when that extra 0.000001% works". The fact is when Windows users come to Linux they dont want Linux, they want Windows but not made by Microsoft and the fact is Linux is not that. I would take that one step forward and say that when Windows 10 goes EOL half of people wont care and the other half will get new computers, the amount of people who switch to Linux will be statistically insignificant.

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    [–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    Having to use windows 11 for work for the last few years.

    (1) Randomly a program on the taskbar just has an invisible icon. Like you can click it but if you don't know it's there it just seems like that program is gone. I keep waiting it to be fixed after every forced update 3-4x a week. Still happening.

    (2) Sometimes the entire process just disappears graphically. Not even an invisible icon on the task at. Still running in the background but it's gone in the UI. Have to manually kill it or restart.

    (3) I can't unzip multiple ZIP files at the same time. Like I can't select multiple ZIP files and extract them all into their own folder. Something that worked since I've used windows. Worked on windows 10, 7, and XP. It now just unzips only the file you right click even if multiple are selected.

    I'm sure there are more but I avoid using windows and mostly just use it to connect to a work VPN and SSH into my redhat VM. Still, all 3 of these really common issues have existed for at least two years. The first two are constant on MS teams and Outlook. Literally no excuse, they are windows apps. Total garbage OS.

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    [–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (14 children)

    I'd switch in a heartbeat if Linux can play all my games including non-steam ones

    [–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago (15 children)

    You can. Now it's mostly games with kernel anti-cheat that don't work.

    For epic and gog you can use the heroic launcher. For ther stuff with an installer, you can use wine to install it and manually add the exe to steam.

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    [–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Conversely, I’m coming to the conclusion that I could probably live with just a steam deck, instead of a laptop etc. A portable screen, or my projector, my nice Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, and I reckon it’ll do everything I really need day-to-day.

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    [–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Windows is becoming increasingly uncomfortable in that regard. I've been thinking about switching to Linux Mint for a while now.

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    [–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    i've only ever used linux for servers as a web dev but friday i decided to erase windows on my laptop and install mint and i'm basically obsessed now (the best part is how updates just happen but they don't restart your computer randomly when you don't ask)

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    [–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago

    Lots of comments about gaming from people assuming that companies will continue supporting their kernel anticheat on Windows 10 after it hits eol.

    Windows 11 is much more convenient for identity tracking, so they'll probably push for people to upgrade because Windows is too "insecure" for their games.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Linux mint and pop os are winner so far

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    [–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Where is the conversation about the mountain of e-waste that’s heading to landfills if a concerted effort is not made to put Linux on millions of machines and to put those machines into the hands of people who can benefit from them?

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    [–] Kinperor 6 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    I swapped from Windows 10 specifically because I didn't want to be in the Windows 11 and forward environment. (I use Arch btw)

    I really don't regret it, the set up was really painful but once that was done, the KDE had so many good features that I immediately felt at home. I'm floored by how good Proton/Steam is at handling games, I don't think I've had to skip on any game due to my OS (so far).

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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (16 children)

    Id run Linux if it could run the apps I need efficiently

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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

    Probably what I'm gonna do. I used to live in a country where it was completely normal to illegally download software from ThePirateBay, and that's how everyone got their Windows versions, but I don't even feel like doing that anymore.

    [–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago

    So glad I came back to Linux a couple years ago. I only use my windows partition to play a game that won’t work as well in Linux, and that list is pretty small for the games I play. Even BG3 worked great in Mint, using a 6 year old build.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    I stopped using windows while using Win XP, maybe 16 or 17 years ago. When I try using current windows I become useless, I can barely figure out how to use it.

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    [–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    the penguin migration was going just fine, until nvidia 570.124.04 dropped, which is when the misery started. :|

    Got to check if I can roll back to earlier version.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    Linux is super reliable, and unless you use cutting edge distro, it's pretty rare than anything breaks. Even Fedora is pretty stable from experience

    The only true problems I ever had (and still has), were with Nvidia. And switching distros ain't saving you. Linux mint? Breaks on suspend. Nobara? Memory leak. Trying newer versions to see if it fixes it? Where's my bootloader...

    I do understand that laptop RTX 3070 are not common, but still. I just want it to work, and have cuda on it. Is that too much to ask?

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    I tried Linux Mint, and enjoyed my experience and even setup everything and then when I booted up Factorio Steam didn't use my 3080 somehow. Pop OS worked but I didn't like the experience. I'll have to give Linux Mint a shot again.

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

    I'm really curious what things people can't get running or didn't have good enough alternatives for in Linux? Obviously, if you are a professional in X field and you need a specific program that will not work on Linux for your job, then Linux is not for you at that job. You didn't choose MS Win or MacOSX, the company that makes the software that you need to do your job made that choice for you.

    If you are not a professional, and you pirate Adobe XYZ (or whatever), and feel like you must have it on Linux, and that GIMP or Krita (or whatever) are not good enough, I don't know what to tell you. Ask yourself, if MS and Adobe found a way to require you to pay full price for that software, or you could not use it at all, would you pay? Or would GIMP or Krita (or whatever) suddenly be good enough? Is having that software (when you are not a professional) really a good reason to stay on an operating system with so many other drawbacks?

    In my experience:

    • MS Windows Explorer is crap. I ended up buying Directory Opus to get a decent file manager. Too many good ones to mention in Linux (though I admit, most are not as powerful as DO; maybe Dired in emacs comes closest?). (DO is awesome - if you are stuck on MS Windows, I highly recommend it.)

    • KWallet (and similar security apps such as KeePassXC), the various clipboard apps, the various text editors, the media players, etc. are excellent in Linux and don't have alternatives in MS Windows that are as good or as easy to install. Actually, I guess it comes down to the repositories having everything, and much of it being installed by default. (Of course, if you are just streaming stuff through your browser, media players matter much less.)

    • The choice of window managers and desktop environments is a killer feature for Linux. MS Windows barely even has virtual desktops.

    • I am not a graphics professional, so for me, GIMP and Krita are fine. And Inkscape. And Scribus. (And, for many people who are not me, LibreOffice Draw.)

    • I do do a lot of writing. LaTeX (several types) and all supporting software is super helpful, but must be found and installed separately in MS Windows. Will pandoc run natively in MS Windows - you have to install python first, right? It is python, right? I'm not sure, because I didn't need to worry about it when I installed it on Linux, from the repository. On MS Windows, you'll probably have to worry about it.

    Sure, as mentioned above, you can install many of those on MS Windows. Are they in the MS Windows store? Do you have to update them all individually each time there is an update? I don't - they get updated when I update my system, along with the rest of my system.

    One little observation sort of sums up the Linux / MS Windows debate for me: in LibreOffice, no matter which program I am using, I can open or create a new office file of any sort. Last time I used MS Office, you couldn't create or open an MS Word file while in MS PowerPoint, nor the opposite. Instead, you had to open MS Word separately. MS Office is a 'suite' in name only. LibreOffice is a suite, designed to go together. Linux distros sort of feel like that too. MS Windows (last I used it), not so much.

    (Obviously, I have feelings about this. Been using Linux since 1998, so yeah, feelings.)

    edit: spelling error / typo

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    [–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

    LOL the suppliers I work with ONLY Support IE 6 to 9. If they could still get away with DOS and intranets they would.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (11 children)

    As someone tried to build the snes9x-nwaemu fork from scratch today after spending hours fighting the Linux mint updater getting stuck, ahhhhhhhhjjj. I still have to have windows for a couple of things anyway which makes this all the more annoying. The update also wrecked my davinci install which I need to produce videos. Also, I work two jobs so not a ton of time for this.

    Edit: it turns out that upgrading mint also broke the video editing software I need to use (divinci resolve). Yay. Also python version conflicts trying to use an open source project and other shenanigans. Python has some sort of virtual env or something, apparently, but I'm done; I do not have the time or energy to throw at this and it's just frustrating. Back to windows I go.

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