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Summary

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.

Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.

Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.

The rally, part of Sanders' “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 day ago (26 children)

I wish you Americans would deal with this crap before I end up getting drafted to defend my country from the orange porcine dementia patient.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Seriously. One of the most conservative old guys at my running club yesterday said, and I quote, “someone needs to kill Donald Trump and Elon Musk.” And I live in Alberta.

We are absolutely done with the US’s bullshit up here guys. Fucking do something. If one more of you cowards tries to tell me you’re going to vote harder in the primaries or some other stupid limp dick excuse, I swear to god man. Our lives and sovereignty are being threatened here. For the love of god do something actually useful for once in your lives.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I swear to god man.

You swear to do what? What are you gonna do about it if we don't get rid of Trump? If we don't engage in large-scale riots and die so Canadians are safe? How about YOU do something? The best way to deal with an aggressive neighbor (geopolitically speaking) is invading them to enact regime change or just genocide the people there. Go on. Do it. Put your money where your mouth is and start walking across that border with a weapon in your hand. Once you win you can impose whatever government you want here.

That's the problem with "Someone should kill Trump and Elon Musk". The "Someone" part, which translates to "anybody but me I just want to continue being lazy and comfortable".

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

canada is working on divesting from buying american made items.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after every other option has been exhausted first.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

What do you suggest Americans do? Say someone is a working class American who didn’t vote for Trump. They can barely make ends meet and have no power or political sway. What does that person do? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m simply interested in your take and perspective as a non-American.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I saw something recently that was talking about how individualism has led us to this situation. Everyone is thinking what they can do. We lost our collectivist spirit. We don't think about what we can do.

An individual has essentially no power. A group does. We need to get better at organizing. This is made hard because we are so separated from each other, driving individually to work, then back home, largely to houses where you don't interact with anyone else. We have basically no third places anymore where you'd typically organize. This situation was designed, and it's going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Great point. I’d argue that an extension of individualism is consumption.

What was the majority positive response to Luigi? Consumption.

People asked where to buy stickers and T-shirts. T-shirts.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This situation was designed, and it’s going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

Nothing can be fixed until it's understood to be a problem, and AOC from her stump speeches and emails seems to at least recognize the problem you're pointing that American systems are essentially "massively scaled up isolation from others".

Rugged individualism has failed us. It's going to take a reclamation of collectivism to fix our problems.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are powerless if everyone stops giving them power

The country is nothing without its workers

Of 10-20% of the population actively protested and actively tried to halt any functioning of society, you'd be surprised at how much you could get done. A that large mass of people is absolutely hell to control and subdue, and they certainly cannot arrest even a significant fraction of them. If the threat of protests of that scale were real every time they tried some fuckery, they would give in very quickly

The problem is that almost everyone thinks like you say, "what am I to do? I'm powerless", and give up before even trying

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd love leaderless movements to have a better track record than they do, but the reality is that I think they fail much more often than they succeed in this country.

People can't just quit their jobs and occupy wall street forever.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And while we’re at it, why don’t people in China have the freedom to speak out against their government and not have censorship? Maybe if they all just got together in a big public square and really protested, I bet that would end really well.

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[–] OutlierBlue 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People in numbers have ALL the power. I know Americans have been trained for defeatism, but look at what protest, resistance, and strikes can do overseas.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (22 children)

From here the outside ot really feels that you need to start another party now. Like nice rally and all of that but the dnc has been screwing you over every fuckin time.
Edit: Or a representative parliament system? That winner takes all shit shouldn't be...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Or a representative parliament system?

Oh ok we'll get right on that

Edit: it just doesn't really help that these discussions always devolve into comments about "we have to get rid of FPTP" and all that. Yeah, no shit. There's zero chance of that happening in this country at this time. Not without a complete breakdown of the country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

There’s zero chance of that happening in this country at this time.

Alaska uses Ranked-Choice Voting.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago

That is because both GOP and DEM are corporatist parties. They will not cater to working class people because those people aren't the ones throwing the most money at them. Left wing populism is nothing more than a tankie wet dream since citizens united.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Drop the quotation marks. They're quite literally screwing us over.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

Please flip the bird to the Democrats and run for president

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

They really need to start their own party. The dems are dead.

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