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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ACA was a great idea that they purposefully let the Republicans destroy. Democrats don't want progress, they just want the status quo and to be able to shrug and say, "We tried."

Cowards.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think its fairer to say about 25% of Democratic politicians are garbage (vs 100% of republicans) but it effectively means they will never pass any kind of uncorrupted reform unless they are absolutely terrified.

[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 days ago (25 children)

The ACA was the best that could be done at the time, but it is a steaming turd and needs to be replaced with Universal Healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 days ago (1 children)

America: The best we can do is a steaming turd

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But did you say thank you today to the president?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I disagree. Democrats had the presidency, the house and the senate (filibuster proof). They chose a republican friendly solution that was just a bandaid on a broken system.

All it did was piss off republicans and give them a rallying point while doing nothing to encourage democrats to vote.

They should have had the balls to create a system that actually fixed the problems, but they didn’t.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (8 children)

There were like one or two very conservative Dems who derailed the single payer option when they had the filibuster proof majority. The main problem is not getting a solid party wide understanding of the goals they are aiming for ahead of the chances to do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

you mean like the suddenly 10 conservative democrats who just happen to vote to allow trump to continue dismantling the government? including the democratic leader in the senate schumer? stop excusing their lack of accomplishments on a few bad applies. the bulk of the party is rotten.

It wouldnt have mattered if they had 90 members in the senate and 90% of the house they'd find the votes to prevent anything that helps the working class.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Actually no, It was an independent who killed the Public Option vote. There was one Dem who opposed the rules in the original bill around Abortion but he still voted yay in the end and Joe Lieberman was the Nay vote. Because they only reached 59 it was filibustered, so they clearly were not filibuster-proof.

The last time DNC had an actual 60 without caucus was 1979.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Meanwhile Republicans can dissolve the Department of Education with a bare majority in both houses...

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (21 children)

ACA sucks, but okay. ACA was a compromise. Not an example of inspiring change.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Yeah, Democrats compromising with Democrats.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Bro literally had the votes for single payer and didn't take it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

There were a LOT of shitty liberal status-quo standards that Obama stamped down, solidified and made mandate for 8 years while paving the way for conservatism to run amuck across the country by not using his unprecedented power to actually implement and federally protect progressive politics and install judges. ACA was so watered-down from the public option we all wanted, that it was literally a plan invented by Republicans, Mitt Romney specifically.

I thought Obama was a great person, he was a great leader, he was inspiring and helped create prosperity and peace for many years. But I'm not a personality cultist, I have some serious criticisms of his presidency and how he managed the Democratic party (or failed to).

He had every opportunity to push America into a new era of social policies and protections for all people, and what actually happened is a lot of banks made a lot of money.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

He thought he could compromise Republicans into behaving, he didn't realize until it was too late that they'd never support a black man. And since the GOP knows that a black president is a possibility, they'll never allow a Democrat to bring their voice above a whisper again

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Bro literally demonstrably didn't because caucusing independent Joe Lieberman voted against Public Option leaving the DNC dead in the water with 59 and a Republican Filibuster. The DNC count was 58 + 2 ind, and only for 72 days.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not from the us, what does it mean?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

“Single payer” refers to the government being the one paying for healthcare and prescriptions, and thus having tons of leverage to negotiate lower costs while also providing healthcare to everybody.

Basically, it was one possible method to bring healthcare in the US up to the level of the rest of the developed world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Single Payer is basically the system most countries have where healthcare is not a luxury good, but a human right.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The ACA is the best he could do. It’s not like a US President can just go around like a wrecking ball ignoring all established law and checks and balances.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The Democrats briefly had a super majority in Obama's first 2 years, and could have passed universal healthcare, not this limp dick ACA stuff, but yet here we are. Stuck with a patchwork of terrible private insurance where your policy has lifetime maximums, and the shareholders can sentence you to death so that line goes up.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

You can thank Schumer for that as well.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Incorrect, it was 58 DNC and for only 72 days.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Ultimately, even Democratic politicians are beholden to wealthy donors, including those associated with the health insurance industry.

In this post-Citizens-United world, the only way to make real change is to have a bunch of people willing to not hold onto power to do the right thing simultaneously. Sadly, the likelihood of that happening is vanishingly small.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Thanks for dropping the “public option” after going into closed door negotiations with the insurance companies for three weeks and coming out with a mandate handing them millions of new captive market participants and putting few, very sacred few limitations or regulatory requirements for how to run their industry. Thanks for dismantling your campaign infrastructure when the GOP started playing “the heel”.

This is the reason why he stopped Bernie. He (and many others in the Democratic Party leadership) knew that only a huge populist movement like Bernie’s could tear power out of the hands of financial/industrial Oligarchs. He’s terrified that if we get some variation of universal healthcare in his lifetime, EEEEEEEVERYONE is going to go back through all that bullshit they said, all the excuses they made, and rub their faces in it. Not only that but also most of these crooked politicians are heeeeaaavily invested in the various private healthcare companies.

I am not a particularly religious person, but I know this to be true: You can’t serve two masters.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

thats some obama awards obama stuff right there.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago

"It's easy to thik that regular folks can't make a difference... but look at Luigi!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

The ACA blows. Here are my issues with it:

  • doesn't go far enough - I would've been better off w/ ACA if my employer didn't offer coverage (small company of <50 people), but switching would've eliminated my employer contribution and the credit
  • goes too far - too opinionated about what care counts

The proper solution IMO would've been to:

  • separate health insurance from employment - employers can offer cash incentives, but you should be able to choose if you want their group coverage or to apply the cash to your own plan
  • simplify healthcare coverage terms - most people don't understand their health coverage, though ACA plans are a bit easier to understand; they should have required all health insurance plans to simplify their coverage
  • expand Medicare/Medicaid instead of creating a new healthcare marketplace

But no, they didn't do any of that. Screw everyone involved. Republicans for neutering the bill, and Democrats for only fighting for the stuff that doesn't matter as much.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Legitimate question: if there is a change to the term limits on the office of POTUS, passed by GOP to enable another Trump run, wouldn't that also allow Obama to run again? If yes, what are the pros and cons of this? Just trying to game this out.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

One congressman (who is also under an FBI investigation) proposed an amendment that would allow presidents who have not served two consecutive terms to run for a third; which takes care of the pesky Obama problem.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-third-term-proposal-has-clause-stop-barack-obama-running-2020334

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This seems like theater, though not without potential harm. An amendment tailored made to exempt only Trump from the 22nd amendment would be an odd one to see ratified by 75% of the states.

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[–] Mycatiskai 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He was milquetoast compared to actual progressive politicians. He folded like all paid opposition party Democrats when it came to the public option.

He put his finger on the scale to get others to drop out all on the same day so Bernie wouldn't win the nomination and you got Biden instead.

They would likely do away with term limits for Republicans only since they can make their own rules and even if they didn't Obama wouldn't run for another term because he would say it isn't the way the founding fathers wanted and the all important parliamentarian said no.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Thanks Obomber

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Trump..... A couple of days ago I ended the federal education department. I thought I might wanna check out what the little people are thinking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

He's still got my vote

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...

People do remember that we ended up with a more conservative system than his Republican opponent wanted, right?

Dems defending the ACA and refusing to keep working on healthcare is a large reason why trump won.

Not to even get into how it's been almost 20 years and the "incremental improvements" that dem ACA detractors never happened, they never even worked towards them...

Every time an elected moderate/neolineral speaks, they're lying to someone. If they were honest they'd never get elected, at least not with a D next to their name

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