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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

35 difference in Terrebonne riding in QC, Liberals won.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I vote in every election but it sure as hell never feels like my vote does anything at all or is even recorded.

TBH i don't think there's a way to vote our way out of a lot of our issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.

~ Emma Goldman

Incidentally, a lot of US districts have made voting increasingly difficult to the point of illegality.

But I rarely see Votey types grapple with that fact. They either dismiss the disenfranchised as lazy/stupid or ignore this cohort entirely.

[–] Sunshine 18 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Those anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians who claim this are just trying to sabotage democracy.

[–] dom 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Or it's people who feel disenfranchised.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm a disabled dude with a family. I live on less than half of what is considered extreme poverty for a single person in my area per year not including my wife's income. I have no extra healthcare, dental or vision care and pay out of pocket even though I worked for ~20 years before my disability and was a part of a union. I am not disabled enough according to my government but too disabled to work according to all medical professionals I have seen, so I get no more than basic CPP. I have chronic pain and neurological damage that affects Ballance and muscle control as well as my ability to walk somewhat and do basic tasks. But I can walk and drive and from the outside look "normal" to most people.

My wife works for the federal government in a public facing seasonal position. It is a contracted position now, that used to be permanent. This avoids unions, healthcare payments, full time employment, benefits and more. Again, she works for our federal government but there is not one politician suggesting that this is no better than what private industry does to people by treating them like wage slaves.

There is no politician in this country that cares about me and my family. I have three choices on my federal ballot. The politicians would all rather I be dead. I can MAID whenever I like but I am not permitted respect or a decent life and neither are my kids. My wife doesn't deserve a full time job or benefits that would really help pull us out of poverty even though she is highly educated in her field and uses it for her work for our government. Even if I could try to work my way out of my hole I lose all support when I hit a very low income threshold ($6900/year) and should I somehow work past that threshold by convincing a public employee to allow me, on a case by case basis, I can be assured to be watched extremely closely as if I were commiting a crime and having to report regularly not just on my taxes on a yearly basis like every other citizen.

I have spoiled every single ballot I have cast for more than a decade in every single election at every single level of politics in Canada and I get derided for it. I voted against fascism this time and held my tongue but you better believe I'm on my MP already. I'm sure my email address will be banned internally and I highly doubt my calls and emails will ever get a response.

People could give a fuck though. They prove it time and time again. Tell me again who I should vote for? And why I should give a fuck about you and your politicians? People have a lot to say but it's all bullshit. They care about themselves.

As of 2022 there are over 320,000 people on CPP disability in the country. It has risen significantly since then. That's certainly not 22 million but we deserve as others do.

[–] Sunshine 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not voting makes it easier for politicians to ignore them.

[–] dom 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they feel disenfranchised, they are probably already ignored.

[–] Sunshine 4 points 2 days ago (6 children)

That’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

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[–] Evkob 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians

Spot the odd one out!

I've definitely seen anarchists describe frustration with electoral politics, especially when people limit their political engagement to simply voting once every so many years. However, I've never seen one advocate against voting.

Anarchists are generally aware that, despite elections not being the thing that will overthrow the bourgeoisie, some parties result in less suffering for oppressed peoples than others.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The anarchist argument is that voting somehow endorses the state and is consent to being governed. It's not a very good argument, but it is an argument nevertheless.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

That's not an actual argument I've ever heard and I'm an anarchist myself, it usually goes more like:

Voting is a waste of time especially the more disenfranchised you are, mutual aid lasts longer and does more for people around you in the short term, in the long term you can build community get organized, and bargain for more than what simply voting can get you.

Personally that's not a bad argument, see I'm living in Israel and my town's going through gentrification, and the state I'm living under is fascist and the fascism is so normalized, not because of people like me refusing to vote, but because of liberals who were never so different from the fascists, constantly giving them ground, always bargaining for the bare minimum.

The only people actually getting anything done that is remotely positive are activists, like the people protesting to stop the genocide, and getting involved physically with sabotaging fascist efforts to stop humanitarian aid from getting into gaza.

Or at least that's how it was months ago, i haven't found it in me to listen to the news on quite a while, so what do i know.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I live in Illinois. If somehow the heavens and earth move such that Illinois turned red, then there would be absolutely zero chance it would be the tipping point in the presidential election. The vast majority of people in the US live in safe states.

And for the record, I do vote in down-ballot races, the ones that actually matter, but none of you care because it's all about genuflecting before the leader of the blue tribe. Which, frankly, just gives me more reason to refuse to.

"Democracy" doesn't need our help to be sabotaged, it's falling apart on it's own. Every time someone says that the voters have to change en masse to meet the policies of politicians rather than politicians having to respond to what their constituents want, they are the ones taking the axe to democracy. Why the hell would anyone care about upholding or defending a system that we have no say in? Somehow, insisting on popular demands and trying to turn the will of the people into policies that protect the rights of the vulnerable gets translated into "trying to sabotage democracy" equating Anarchists and Marxists alike with fascists.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I have family in this riding so I was watching it closely. It was very nerve-racking to see how close it was. It was conservative several times while they were finishing counting all the votes.

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