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Came to evangelize about our lord and savior used thinkpads
I'm here to evangelize coreboot and Talos and Framework for those with more money than you and I
I still remember the good old IBM Thinkpads, most of them were indestructible tanks. But with Lenovo, those times are long over. My last machine was a TP L390 Yoga. It overheated frequently, the cooling system was inadequate for the 4.6GHz Intel CPU, one day the logo sticker came off because the glue turned into sticky liquid, the passive Micro-Ethernet dongle cost 50β¬ and the cable turned into glue after a few months...god, what a shit machine this was.
I was able to work with it for a while by limiting and undervolting the CPU, but one day a Windows update came out that disabled the functionality and it worked like crap on Linux for a long time due to bad drivers.
I switched to GPD now. Never going back, although I miss the Trackpoint a little bit.
I had a thinkpad for YEARS running various flavours of Debian / Ubuntu. It never had an issue with drivers and even the fingerprint sensor worked out of the box.
The battery was shot to hell, the hinge was gone, it was time to upgrade. So I bought an ideapad. Thereβs something funky with the audio quality on Linux and the fingerprint scanner is now a face scanner camera. Howdy is not easy to configure and Iβm pretty sure I can trick it with a photo.
Thatβs a long way of me saying I have buyers remorse and not all Lenovos are made equal :(
What color are your knee socks?
Also Framework.
I think OP means "just work" as in the OS is preinstalled. Framework do support Linux but they don't preinstall a distro for you.
Having said that, I've got a Framework 16 and it's very nice.
Years ago it was literally impossible to get a laptop without OS. It's a good enough option compared to what we had to suffer before.
Came here to say this. I really like mine.
Computers are fine yes, but I'm still waiting for a Linux phone with not-shit specs LMAO
Every 6 months I check to see if theyβve figured out VOLTE on PostmarketOS, or Sailfish (my dream OS tbh) on community ports. And then I cry and angrily tell people how Microsoft destroyed Meego until Iβm told to hush
The Software isn't fully there yet for mass adoption (Your mileage may vary, but the general expectations for a modern daily driver are pretty high), at least not for anyone but enthusiasts and developers. If there's something like a PinePhone 2 it will probably yet again designed to be relatively cheap despite low production volume, so as many potential developers as possible can afford one.
If it can handle my banking app (local credit union) and occasionally play YouTube I'm good tbh
A lot of financial apps require Play Protect and attestation. I had to fight for months to figure out how to spoof the integrity check so I could deposit some stupid checks.
My SOs system76 had intermittent graphics issues and their tech support had hour-long calls with me over several weeks and additional emails correspondence where we did some very in-depth testing and monitoring of the machine. I think most of the testing was that their team genuinely wanted to know if it was a hardware or software issue and fix it right.
In the end they replaced the entire motherboard under warranty because they pointed out in another month and it wouldn't be covered and it might fix it. It did.
I suspect it was just a bad Nvidia GPU. It sucks that it had the problem and that it was difficult to track down but all laptops break.
I challenge anyone to find that level of support from a Windows manufacturer without having a corporate account.
Its kinda funny that when I read "hour-long wait calls" I initially thought you were complaining about being on hold for too long. I just couldn't imagine a scenario where they were helping you the entire time and it was positive lol
Dell's accidental warranty used to be solid AF. I installed Eve OL beta and my graphics card cooked. (even had stripes in the bios) They replaced the entire laptop with a late model P4 of equivalent value to what I paid.
Those days are long gone, though.
As much as I like my Tuxedo, I probably would not have bought it if I had known that the ethernet card and some laptop essentials dont work without their drivers, which have not been upstreamed. Due to this, I can't use my distro of choice (Bluefin) OR run with secure boot and LUKS with tpm unlock even on regular Fedora
What Ethernet chip do they use?
I've got a Framework 16 and all components work on both Fedora and Debian without installing custom drivers, so I'm surprised it's still an issue for some laptops.
Do you know if that's still the case on their new systems?
I'm currently waiting for next gen GPUs to become available and have been leaning towards Tuxedo
I'm using an Infinitybook Pro 14 gen 9. It came out last year.
You will most likely need the "tuxedo-drivers" package, but whether you'll need an ethernet driver too depends on the hardware they choose.
At least they publish their drivers for both RPM and DEB systems, so that makes it a bit less painful.
Of course, none of this applies if you use their distro. There, everything is pre-installed and configured for their laptops
Framework as wellβeverything just works.
I recently discovered framework-tool, which is a mindblowing level of integration with Linux.
I think what people mean when they say this is that they are looking for the same price point as the equivalent Windows device... I don't know all these companies but every time I looked for a Linux PC/laptop it was 25-30% more expensive than the equivalent Windows thing.
all of them are a joke in canada
edit: in case this rubs someone the wrong way its a joke to my wallet/my wallet is the joke
Just got a HP pavilion for free. On the other side of everything here. Fucking want to go postal on them. Bios so fucked up I can't get Linux to run with full disk encryption. Buggy, acpi errors. Support"not our problem it works with windows" ..
Framework:
Does Framework sell a laptop with Linux pre-installed or do they only have officially supported distros?
Ships with windows or blank disk (selectable). Ubuntu/mint/fedora are officially supported but you could install other distros like arch
Still not shipping with something.
I'd only wipe it anyway.
Me too, and have done it in the past on one laptop that I did get with Linux when there was no bring-your-own option, but I suppose that OP's got a point
there are people out there for whom installing the OS on a blank laptop is going to be intimidating.
If you've installed an OS a zillion times, this is all old hat. If you never have before, probably feels kind of scary.
For those people, having a preinstalled OS can be a significant value-add.
You can buy no OS. Or even no included drive. You'll save on having to pay the Windows license.
Theyβre all shitty clevo laptops
That's not true! Some of them are Tongfang devices. π₯΄
It's true those companies have to overwhelmingly work with ODMs, doesn't necessarily make the devices shitty though.
I beg to differ, i have bought clevo w650sj back in the day when it was produced, it works great to this day, just added ssd and ram and it works great with opensuse tumbleweed and windows 11 dualboot, i use windows in dual boot because i need adobe and flashing software for obscure chinese phones and flashing software to revive bricked usb sticks
It's important to note that if you don't already have a computer, ordering one without an os installed is a problem.
So some people gotta have something, if only to download and install their distro of choice. So, even a bad distro is better than nothing occasionally
PSA: My Starbook MK V has great specs but feels cheap and loses charge when closed, so it's always empty when I need it.
(Tried all firmware updates and different distros, without success and their support isn't of any help either. Won't be ordering from them again.)
I got a client to buy me a System76 (Pangolin), never would have bought one otherwise. Everything is great about it, very powerful and as expected, except for the BT/WiFi module. It's kinda dogshit.
Besides that, IO is plentiful, it's a good size/weight, user upgradable/serviceable, has a hardware camera killswitch, and a built-in RJ45 to fix the WiFi issue. When I got mine, they were doing a special, and I also got a neat backpack with it for free!
except for the BT/WiFi module. Itβs kinda dogshit.
You can get external USB ones of those, which opens things up. Downside is that it's another thing to carry, and you gotta plug it in when you sit down. Upside is that it lets you put the antenna wherever you want (which doesn't matter much for Bluetooth, but can be nice for WiFi). Desktops these days with integrated BT/WiFi tend to have external antennas that you can place where you want, but laptops don't have that option outside of USB.
That being said, I've gotten several exotic USB WiFi adapters for which I needed to compile in support; support wasn't packaged and in the base kernel. So given the context of the "just works" standpoint, that could be a tripping spot.
Lenovo allows now. U can opt out of windows 11 and save money. I believe they installed Ubuntu. U can reinstall with Linux mint or Pop OS if u like the feel of windows.
Tbh I would rather a desktop and build that myself. If I wanted a laptop I would most likely be looking for very low specs and cheap, so second hand. Got a laptop with a 2011 pentium CPU somewhere and it works perfectly fine on Linux, even got a few games on it.
Drox Operative 2 runs at 60FPS, kinda makes me wish we had more 2D games these days as they can run on pretty much anything.