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Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called... what exactly?

Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta's (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? πŸ’‘

Anyway, the start to a listing:

  1. Threadiverse
  2. Forumverse
  3. (The) Verse
  4. Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
  5. Something else?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Gonna be the odd one out here and say that all of these names are kinda stupid, but Lemmyverse is probably the best of the bunch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.

That's like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it's between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.

PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.

So why call this all "Lemmy", when that's only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Forumverse makes the most sense but it really doesn’t roll of the tounge.

Hence I prefer Lemmyverse or Threadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Thank you for your contribution:-).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Threadiverse kinda captures it, but it also calls association with Threads (by Meta), like if it's the parent of it, while in fact it's not even part of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

That's unfortunate, because some of us were using that term before Threads existed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

When the first Reddit migration happened, the migrants called it #Threadiverse and has always been that way. Although some tried to change it (Threads was not around yet, or public, IIRC), it didn't work, the migrants prefer Threadiverse so it stuck.

Changing names in the Fediverse is not easy since it has grown humongous already. Back in 2008 it was simply called #Identiverse. Then a few years later it morphed into the #Fediverse (this was before ActivityPub, yes, the Fediverse is years older than ActivityPub).

Back in 2021/2022, we tried to change the name "Fediverse" because Twitter migrants and the Press/Media were whining too much about it. Even though we reached a consensus, the we were far too small compared to the number of new people.

The people who kept on complaining about the name "Fediverse", when they were asked to participate in the disucssion and polls, they did not. When they were presented with the new name, they either ignored us or started whining again. 🀷🏽

Anyway, if there's a huge population involved, it's not going to be easy.

Now, I'm not discouraging you, rather, I shared our experience in the hopes that you'll find a better way. Because personally, I'm not so fond of "Threadiverse", haha.

If you use, for example, the lemmyBB interface, it's no longer "threadi", it's a forum. 😝 (I know, lame reason.)

Oh! One thing that came out of trying to rename the Fediverse, people don't want "-verse" anywhere because it's overused. Multiverse. Metaverse. Fediverse. Threadiverse. Benverse. Omniverse. Panverse. Whoverse. Trekverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What was the new name? I've heard open social web.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

It started as a suggestion, then we compiled it and made phases of polls. (The instance clised shop, unfortunately.)

Based on those, the most that got the votes was the suggestion "Mycelium". It was inspired by Star Trek: Discovery and the real-world mycelium.

The second one, I can't remember but it was also related to nature's fungi or plants.

The list of suggestions and votes were based on who participated. And at the time it was done, it was the Twitter Migration, and people were complaining loudly about the name "Fediverse". And yet, those who participated were mostly pre-Migration people (who generally didn't have a strong issue with "Fediverse"). πŸ˜„

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Hmm… I like the -ville suggestion. #Threadiville perhaps?

  • The #Fediverse is the "universe".
    • The -ville is the "local group".
      • The various software are the "galaxies".
        • The instances are the "planets".

So:

  • Fediverse
    • Threadiville local group
      • Mbin galaxy
        • Fedia IO planet
      • Kbin galaxy
        • Kbin social planet
      • Nodebb galaxy
      • Lemmy galaxy
        • Lemmy World planet
    • Microville local group
      • Mastoforks galaxy
      • Pleroma galaxy
    • Writingville local group
      • Plume galaxy
      • WriteFreely galaxy
      • Ghost galaxy
    • Faceville local group
      • Friendica galaxy
      • -key forks galaxy
    • CMSville local group
      • Hubzilla galaxy
      • Drupal galaxy
      • Wordpress galaxy

😁

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Tagging @[email protected].

This is a great summary of the history of the topic, thank you!:-)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@OpenStars In the past we had gotten into the habit of calling the set of thread-based environments #threadverse, but the advent of the terrible Meta service has polluted this denomination.

Personally I would use the expression #topicverse

@fediverse

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Topicverse sounds kinda nice.

To be fair, people were using Threadiverse before Meta revealed that they were working on their Threads. And now they do not want to switch?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bc a network of forum boards?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah. I think it has a good ring to it. Maybe forumnet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Might be too obvious:-).

Alternatively, The Linux hangout.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As the creator of Mbin I'm also calling it Threadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for weighing in, this is quite helpful! πŸ™

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lemmy Federate also says this:

1: Threadiverse refers to Fediverse software that implements "FEP-1b12: group federation". For example, Lemmy, Mbin, Guppe, NodeBB and others...

Maybe try to get a piefed namedrop there?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says "disabled".

That site doesn't seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how "Lemmy-like" an instance is? Anyway I've never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @[email protected] anyway in case it helps:-).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's run by an instance admin. I wanna say lemy.lol?

even though next to it the status says "disabled".

I believe that just means piefed.social isn't participating in the service.

Edit: is that right, @[email protected]?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yes, it is just disabled. Lemmy Federate supports every threadiverse software and Piefed is one of them.

Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.

In general, every fediverse software that support FEP-1b12 and can receive Lemmy-like PM’s can register to Lemmy Federate.

/cc @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah something is screwy - PieFed.social is most definitely aware of lemy.lol (see this at https://piefed.social/instance/lemy.lol), but the last post it has from your own account seems to be nine months ago, and the second link on that page I linked, to "Posts" yields an error.

Nor does this portion of the conversation appear in this version of the OP (see here, which should have all of these responses below it but they are lacking there).

So apologies, I guess it's not just the tool, rather the issue is wider than that: either your instance lemy.lol or PieFed.social (or both) are not communicating in the standard manner with one another. Fwiw, PieFed.social seems to have no trouble federating with (any? at least the vast majority?) of other Lemmy instances? But I will leave that to you and rimu to work out:-).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Interesting. I didn't realize my instance wasn't federated with Piefed. I'll contact the Piefed admins about this.

However, this issue is probably not related to Lemmy Federate because Piefed.social doesn't even use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.

You mean using your tool, or overall?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course using the tool :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Thought so, but there does seem to be some confusion surrounding this so clarity always helps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Absolutely. Sometimes I can be hard to understand (since English is not my native language), thanks for the clarity :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@[email protected] what's a "lemmy-like" PM :laughing: I think this explains why I can't log into the site.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

IIRC Lemmy and Mastodon PMs are different and incompatible. If you can receive PMs from Lemmy users then you should be able to receive auth codes. Currently @[email protected] is adding both Lemmy and Mastodon PMs here: https://github.com/ismailkarsli/lemmy-federate/pull/33

Also software other than Lemmy and Mbin needs to add β€˜roleName: Administrator’ to their user webfinger requests. This is because ActivityPub doesn’t have a standard way to expose user roles.

I’m thinking of adding another ways of verifying like DNS based verification but still not sure. Any recommendations are welcome :)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@[email protected] NodeBB here, agreed.

It really is the most succinct nickname to describe the type of software we are... and I feel that outweighs possible association with Threads.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I follow you now :)

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[–] otter 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been using threadiverse, but I prefer forumverse

It's immediately clear what it's referring to, and it leaves it open to other compatible platforms once they implement activity pub nicely. Being able to subscribe and post to official support forums from the forumverse would be a cool promo point

Also people refer to many things as "threads". Conversations, comment sections, discord has threads. Forum is much more clear

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Personally I dislike anything with -verse involved because big companies have run it into the ground and then some.

The boring, dry ways of describing them work best in my opinion.

Federated forums is the driest, most technical and to the point but not very telling.

Swap out forum for link aggregator and you have similar, arguably even more technical (certainly more of a mouthful).

Connected/linked forums might be more approachable, more readily conveying how these are separate forums but networked together.

Cross-forums may work as well to the same end, but not sure how immediately understandable cross may be in this context and outside of gaming spaces.

Whatever the case I kind of think this has things backwards. What's more important than describing and talking about the backend tech is pointing people to any of the sites built with them that have anything of interest to them to bother with. I can't think of anything online I've ever gone to or used because someone told me it was using Apache, Nginx, phpBB, or like an Open Source Web Server or using such and such CDN.

The reason why is simple: next to nobody talks like that. The only people that might are deep in web dev.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i think threadiverse is the move. partly because it's already in regular use and partky because it's very self-explanatory. forumverse could have some legs to it now that more traditional forum software like nodebb and soon flarum support federation now, maybe it could refer to the broader category containing traditional forums and the threadiverse, but i feel like leaving out the "fedi" part kinda defeats the point (threadiverse at least partially maintains it by being a pun on it). maybe fediforums is the way to go?

it's a whole 'nother can of worms but ironically in my experience the "verse" part of threadiverse is more offputting than the "thread" part because people think "metaverse," but that's just anecdotal and the term fediverse itself already has too much momentum to easily fall out of fashion

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Threadiverse

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

A quorum of forums.

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