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[–] skisnow 25 points 1 day ago

It never ceases to amaze me how often I still learn about how much stuff is illegal in the US. All I ever heard growing up was how it's the freedomest country in the world and that the entire concept of its government was built on personal freedoms, and yet it doesn't even seem to be true on its own terms.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 2 days ago (16 children)

So many conspiracy theories in these comments about why American manufacturers don't build smaller cars.

It's very simple, American Auto Companies are loan companies, not auto manufacturers.

Why would they produce a $10k go-kart with a useable bed when they can get people to finance a $110k SUV at 18% APR?

It's not about oil, or other resources, or even labor and tooling.

It's just much more profitable to put you into debt.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Especially because we are a captive market. Public transport is essentially non existent in most areas. You have to get a car, and you have to take a loan on it. Without a car, a lot of places won’t even hire you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

you have to take a loan on it.

Can't you buy cheaper or 2nd hand cars?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

It’s still going to be at least $10k or so, unless you scour Facebook marketplace or know how not to get scammed.

My stepfather’s job was to negotiate deals between the car dealerships and the banks. They were all fucking sharks. Used car salesmen are terrible people as a rule.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I've noticed that Americans do not consider using an armed rebellion against evil corporate practices but talk about 2A rights all the time.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

but talk about 2A rights all the time.

Most of the 2A talks come from people who want to start evil corporations.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No armed rebellion is complete without a technical built from a Toyota Hilux, which we sadly only get the slightly larger variant, the Tacoma.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The truth about the perfect vehicle for armed uprisings isn't that they only use Hiluxs. That's simply a myth. The truth is that no other vehicle has ever been able to complete even a single mission. You send 20 Hiluxs and 40,000 Tacomas into battle? You'll soon have 20 Hiluxs and 40,000 heaps of burning inferior pieces of junk. The Hilux has proven time and time again that it isn't just the perfect vehicle for an armed rebellion, it's the only vehicle able to survive.

And them's the facts.

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[–] ILikeBoobies 7 points 1 day ago

That sounds more conspiracists than “Americans like shit vehicles”

The Canyonero Simpsons episode came out in 98 to make fun of this

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For three years we've used this GEM[global electric motors] LSV[low speed vehicle] as our primary vehicle.
Legally I'm restricted to roads with 35mph speed limits or less, my maximum legal speed is 25mph, I never bothered to modify the top speed. I'm registered & insured in Reno. Driving the GEM is like towing a trailer, if the line of cars forms behind me, I pull over & let them pass Maybe 4 times a year someone rage passes me & generally ends up waiting next to me at the next light
With the lumber rack, beacon & safety triangle, I probably appear to be a city or university worker.

The notion that everyone must drive at or above the speed limit isn't true in my experience. Every trip does not require getting on a limited access highway & blasting along at 70 mph. The time saved is minimal, Small mistakes become serious accidents at higher speeds Every vehicle forum I've ever been on has a large contingent of Boys who want their toys to go fast.
The older model Kei mini trucks is too short & narrow to go faster than 40 mph or so safely. Making it wider reduces the ability to lane split :D

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Colorado’s Division of Motor Vehicles also tried to explicitly ban them last year, though it later pulled its proposed rule. Some kei vehicle owners, however, say the state is still trying to keep them off the road by refusing to allow them into the emissions testing process.

As usual it's confusion from news when reporting on public policy. So are they proposing that there be exceptions to emissions rules for these vehicles or not? Because that will make a huge amount of difference in how much I or pretty much anyone else should support this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Should've been okay from the start.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But isn't that the story of America? Making things illegal that would prevent you from maximizing profits to the detriment of every one of your countrymen.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Considering?! Just fuckin’ do it, who does it hurt?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

It hurts GM and Ford. They don't want competition! And worse yet they don't even build anything to compete with kei trucks! Think of the shareholders, you monster!

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is an echo back to the 70s, when gas prices were high and there were strict controls over Japanese economy cars. Why didn't American manufacturers make smaller cars? Well, "no one wanted them" was the line. Miraculously almost as soon as those same Japanese cars started to be allowed on our streets, suddenly Detroit figured out how to make them and dragged them kicking and screaming into the next eras.

Good companies innovate to keep their customers. Bad companies legislate to keep their customers.

Which one do you think is happening more today?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Detroit never made them; they bought them and rebranded them with trim packages.

Here's news: the US cannot make cars. They only know one style, and that's land yacht.

[–] yeather 14 points 2 days ago

American cars were more fuel efficient and size efficient following the 70’s fuel crisis. It wasn’t until the Chicken Tax and Cafe Standards you see the shift from small work trucks to SUVs and large trucks.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

This passed a couple days ago and will be signed by the Governor today! Takes effect July 2027.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I would kill for one of these trucks, its so fucking stupid that they are banned

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'd go for it with a slight caveat: They need to uprate the engines a bit so they can cruise on US highways at US highway speeds. While they can reach 75mph ungoverned, you generally don't want to run an ICE at close to its limit. That's why you aim for 85-100mph max speed for US highways; it means it'll be running efficiently cruising at 60-70mph.

Fortunately, this shouldn't be difficult. The engines would likely be capable of it with a little tuning or extra turbocharger boost. And going electric makes it all a non-issue.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, it's probably not safe in a crash at highway speeds (if it can even reach those speeds), but then neither are motorbikes and we allow those...

It's got to be better for the environment and wallet than those stupid Ford monster trucks. Especially since these would only attract people who actually need to carry large amounts of stuff about, rather than those who once needed to transport a fridge four years ago.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those huge trucks are also not save in any crash. At least for the other person.

Any crash involving an "american sized" car will be worse than two of these small trucks coliding

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Getting hit by one of those trucks at 30 MPH has as much force as a Honda civic at 55 MPH.

Fuck modern pickups.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (13 children)

They do ok against regular sized cars, just yours are insanely big.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Maybe US car manufacturers could, y'know, make their own compact trucks? 😀

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

American Auto Manufacturers are run by ancient douche bags that are desperately holding on to the past.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, they're run by ancient douche bags that are constantly finding loopholes in the current laws that allow (if not encourage) them to make bigger vehicles.

If they were desperately trying to hold onto the past, the new Ford Ranger reboot wouldn't be nearly the same size as an F-150.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

This is COMMUNISM! TRUE FREEDOM is FORCING us to use OVERSIZED Cars that use a LOT of EXPENSIVE Gas! ANYTHING else is WOKE!

[–] [email protected] 106 points 2 days ago (17 children)

We citizens need to change the laws to highly tax those oversized vehicles. And we should make them commercial use only. Average people don't need huge trucks. K-cars are quite cool.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

In many export markets kei trucks are sold with larger engines than is mandated by the keijidousha regulations of Japan, and come in left hand drive. For example here's the Suzuki Carry in one export market. These international variants might be more suitable for the US market.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 days ago (31 children)

why aren't they allowed now?

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