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No netflix or streaming services landlubbers allowed, this is pirates territory.

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I'm the top mod of /r/piracy in reddit. Can I get a mod position? (www.reddit.com)

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Hey y'all, In the past I had arranged that /f/piracy in raddle.me would be the fallback forum for /r/piracy, but I recently noticed that raddle.me has disabled new user registrations and that would be a problem in case we need it.

And with reddit about to go public, it might be needed.

Instead of trying to spin up my own lemmy instance, I was thinking if I could get a mod position in this forum and specify it as the official /r/piracy fallback instead.

Feel free to PM me in reddit for verification.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 years ago (1 children)

To echo some of the thoughts of those below:

This was one of the first communities I made here on lemmy, because I was disappointed in /r/piracy for two reasons:

Removals of piracy links, content, guides, etc.

I realize most of that is unavoidable self-policing, because reddit is a US-based company that must adhere to the US's draconian copyright and IP laws. Lemmy is self-hostable, and doesn't have that problem. Outside of illegal or harmful content, there's no reason for us to remove anything piracy-related. So a lot of those bans and removals are probably not the mod's fault, its work reddit requires you to do to have a presence there.

A "soft" / "pickme" approach to piracy.

A lot of people on /r/piracy either support or half-support centralized services like netflix and spotify. Copy-leftists like myself believe these services are really harmful to keeping data alive and shared. People that either never torrented in the first place, or that have moved off torrenting, make one less seeder, or adder of new content. I can't even find some newer documentaries and music on torrents, because netflix and spotify have successfully captured and privatized that data, and new people no longer have a pro-sharing mentality: Netflix lets them have an "I got mine" mentality.

So counter to /r/piracy, [email protected] has a strict anti-centralized services rule.

At the same time, I welcome genuine pro-piracy mods from reddit who would like to get started over here, and do a better job building and growing this community more than I ever could. If you sticky a post or put something in the sidebar of /r/piracy having this as a backup, I'll mod you. Or you could just make another piracy community here, something like /c/piracynews and have control over that community.

cc @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

Unfortunately, point A is unavoidable. We already got contacted by the reddit admins with an almost impossible demand (police not only new stuff, but also historical stuff) so we had to take a very draconian approach to avoid takedown.

While I agree with point B myself, being a staunch proponent of copylefts, it doesn't make sense to censor people for not being as radical as we area. It's by rubbing noses with us that they will change their tune.

To be clear, I am generally not against being more explicit anti-centralized, but while growing /r/piracy, it didn't make sense.

At the same time, I welcome genuine pro-piracy mods from reddit who would like to get started over here, and do a better job building and growing this community more than I ever could. If you sticky a post or put something in the sidebar of /r/piracy having this as a backup, I’ll mod you.

Done. Check the the sidebar in https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/

The main objective here is to be able to redirect people over and make sure we don't splinter the community if and when reddit takes action against /r/piracy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy is the place you'd want to move people to in case of a greater calamity as federated Lemmy is by nature more community controlled than Reddit or any centralized alternative could literally ever be.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago (1 children)

There's other alternatives, like Aether or my own lemmy instance. But I tend to try the path of least resistance first.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Aether is fine but development is pretty dead compared to lemmy and it's fucking Electron.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

yeah lemmy is much better than Aether right now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Also I'm not completely sure their democratic/reputation system actually works in practice, since it has never been enabled.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Cool, I got you modded now.

BTW if anyone else would like to be modded and help grow this community, lmk.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

Cheers! I'll make a sticky in /r/piracy soon to make people update their bookmarks and maybe we can have some early adopters here as well

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

This is great news =).

I find the megathread on reddit really useful, are you involved in making it? Would it be possible for it to be posted/pinned here whenever it is updated?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

At this point you should let Reddit ban /r/piracy. Less page views for them the better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

Losing /r/piracy would be a real shame. I haven't had a reddit account in years, but I still visit occasionally because the megathread and other things are such great resources (especially when I need to grab stream links for friends too scared to torrent). It's important for outreach, whether we like it or not.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

Why do you feel the need to be mod?🤔

You can just be a user just like everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (4 children)

If I am going to redirect all the sizable community of reddit /r/piracy to a safe haven, I feel I have a responsibility to make sure that the destination is well run. The only way I can do that is to be a mod.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago

That being the case, wouldn't it make more sense to just start your own instance? That's the only way you could ensure the destination is... "well run".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago

I think you need to prove you can be a mod here like you've done on reddit. Not against it since you've proven you're able to run that subreddit, but I would argue if you want to moderate this community you should start getting links posted here along with encouraging those on reddit to come here ad well to grow this community.

I think you have experience, but the moderator status should be earned from contributions to this site and growth of this community, not from another site.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Supposing that somehow "well run" means anything that anyone else agrees with, aren't you sort of the poster child of "not well run"? During your tenure at reddit, for instance, r/piracy became almost entirely useless. Years of prime advice was nuked when you erased everything but the last 6 months of history. Rules, and also secret rules, were enacted that make it impossible to discuss anything important. Contributors were banned form the subreddit having already demonstrated their worth.

As it is now, if the MPAA and RIAA teamed up with the Spanish priests who burned the Mayan codices to run a piracy internet forum, they still wouldn't do as shitty a job as r/piracy does. If you had any sort of integrity at all, wouldn't you have shut down the forum years ago?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago (14 children)

Years of prime advice was nuked when you erased everything but the last 6 months of history.

You realize the alternative was to lose the subreddit to the reddit admins, yes?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

I feel you should just redirect people here anyway before it's too late. I'm sure the mods here might need help anyway in case of a big influx of users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Because if they are directing the existing r/piracy to here as a backup they should maintain control.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 years ago

Lemmy being a fallback for a massive Reddit community sounds amazing! I guess it sorta makes me hope the fact it's piracy doesn't become an existential issue for Lemmy. But, in general, this kind of transitioning is amazing!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Bigly support, /r/piracy is run well - Would be great to see this here too

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks. We try :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

I agree. If he were in my neighborhood, I'd definitely want to elect him as president of the HOA too! That would never backfire. Anyone who wants to be a mod is the exact sort of person who should be a mod. It shouldn't come down to technical ability, or to philosophical predisposition, or anything else like that. Instead, we need to seek out those people who yearn to be busybodies. Oh, wait, I guess we don't even have to do that, they'll rush to us instead, nagging to put chains around our neck and sell our homes out from under us at auction if we don't keep the lawn shorter than 4.75" tall!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago

@[email protected] just tagging to make sure you see this request.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

I personally see it fine, it's not like Lemmy is a shelter away from tyrannical mods or anything... But I'm not sure how necessary that really is; maybe the team here will be happy if you lend a hand? I know some communities are having it hard to get enough moderation, but that might not be the case here.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

This is such a weird request.

It's inevitable that lemmy will be a refuge for redditors at some point (although I don't necessarily think that the IPO will cause an exodus), but that doesn't mean that lemmy needs to mirror reddit.

Therefore IMO mod status on reddit is nothing more than "relevant experience", with the caveat that it comes with an obvious agenda.

I guess the real actual question is whether lemmy.ml/f/piracy should be promoted by reddit.com/r/piracy as the sanctioned alternative. Which again is a weird request. The present mods responsibility is to serve the interests of the present subscribers. Im making some assumptions here but if present subscribers wanted this to be just like reddit, they would just be on reddit rather than here.

Suffice to say, if it were up to me I would politely decline this request.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

but that doesn’t mean that lemmy needs to mirror reddit.

Given the trajectory of reddit over the years, it might be true that you'd all be better off if you took action to prevent it from being too similar.

I guess the real actual question is whether lemmy.ml/f/piracy should be promoted by reddit.com/r/piracy as the sanctioned alternative.

A more important question, I think, perhaps the only one even, is whether Lemmy is any less vulnerable to the sorts of legal attacks that make r/piracy so problematic. I suspect I know the answer to this question, and that many of the rest of you do as well... it just happens to be one that none of us like.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

The present mods responsibility is to serve the interests of the present subscribers.

I disagree, mods in general are dooing free labour for the benefit of the community.

The mod of r/piracy (one of the best resources for pirated content I have found) thinks having a backup on Lemmy would help the community. So maybe we should support this instead of saying it's not their responsibility lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago

That's my point though. "The community" in this case is not reddit users, but lemmy users. As I said, it's really a question of whether existing users in this sub want it to be a mirror of reddit's sub.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Afaik there isn't much to moderate here anyway, so there should be enough mods already

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

Hopefully you don't ban people on your own thing for asking for something to be Pirated based on political beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Look fella, everyone's got to give a little bit here, right? Right. What about you get us a mass exodus of people from Reddit and we get you a nice little shiny mod on /c/piracy? Waddayasay, boyo?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Squid pro qoa

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Insert trade offer meme here

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Reddit has turned you into a power hungry hippo, its best that you unlearn or cleanse yourself off of the mod toxicity first.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

I back this

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