Is it just me or does the third panel person pointing slightly look like an alligator
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Like those crocodiles from Pearls Before Swine
With a mustache
I spent the better part of a year and a half writing automation for an integrated stack that included D365. (RSAT wasn't an option since we had to also interact with other systems and sql databases and what not to perform end-to-end flows across multiple systems.) It was literally the biggest resource and time suck of all the stuff we had to interact with -- and we had to interact with some really hoky stuff. But D365 took the cake. At least two people quit over it.
I did a similar project back in 2003. MS CRM 1.2. MS Great Plains. Integrating with an OS/390 via DB2 and MQSeries. Fun stuff. I survived. MS CRM wasn’t even the biggest pain points!
Against every developer's advice, management has moved our entire stack to Microsoft Dynamics 365. It took over a year of prep, millions in ISV consulting charges, and it performs like trash. Now management is constantly complaining about outages, Microsoft nickles and dimes us for tens of thousands more than the estimates, and they are constantly jerking us around to half-baked tech by removing support for anything that actually works. "Want data out of F&O? We're killing everything except Synapse Link. You spent months migrating yet it drops data? That's not surprising since we fired everyone working on it. You should be on Fabric! No, that's not finished either, but we need to test it on someone!"
I'm very bitter.
My company is making exactly the same mistake right now. I simply can't understand how a European company can still make itself so dependent on Microsoft at this point. We Devs have raised the issue to our bosses, but there are still a lot of old MS fanboys around. Some people have to learn it the hard way.
When we finally onboarded the D365 ERP replacement, management wanted to run perf testing on it told them we could do it in JMeter, and we already had JMeter code that we'd used for the older systems, and we'd learned more than enough from including it in integration automation, that I was sure we could do it.
Instead they hired two chodes from an agency and told them to use some odd tool. Literally a month into that project one of the contractors asked me straight up why we weren't just using JMeter.
They eventually cut those guys because they weren't able to produce, and then went with some kookball Akamai solution (Cloudtest?) They didn't even seem to realize that by going with that solution, they were going to be beholden to paying Akamai every time they wanted to run it. They somehow managed to cajole Akamai into giving us a standalone version of the tool, but they didn't seem to comprehend that when you run it that way you don't get the cloud.
It's funny, someone asked me the other day why I quit that job, and I'm now suddenly starting to remember why.
It was actually a pretty good company, it just wasn't a software company, so its tech decisions were often really bonkers. But that aside, it was actually a good company, and part of me kicks myself for leaving it -- I'd probably still be working there four years later.
I might have needed a lot of therapy in the meantime, though
I'll tell you how. My company has been moving to solutions developed and/or hosted in EU for privacy reasons, but at the same time continue to go deeper and deeper into M$ ecosystem because the management believes XYZ product sounds cool and/or works better than the alternatives we're using. I'm just waiting for this circus to fall apart.
What the fuck does Dynamics do? Is it some kind of shitty database?
I wish! It's more of a loose collection of random business softwares in various states of abandonment. D365 CE is a platform for Sales teams to organize and track leads, quotes, contracts, etc. D365 BC is an ERP platform born out of the ashes of NAV, the core of which Microsoft bought decades ago. D365 F&O, D365 S&M, and others are various flavors of AX, another ERP platform Microsoft bought over a decade ago. They are direct competitors to D365 BC for some reason. None of these softwares can communicate directly with each other, and none allow direct access to the Azure SQL. Occasionally Microsoft will throw a bone towards integration stuff like DualWrite or Synapse or Fabric, but they can never seem to commit and eventually abandon those too.
I would actually be much happier if it was just crummy databases instead of an archipelago of rotting digital islands.
D365 CE is a platform for Sales teams to organize and track leads, quotes, contracts, etc.
Huh, I would have thought "CE" stood for "compact edition" like it did for Windows CE back in the day. Which was unironically called "WinCE" by Microsoft.
Holy shit did it really take me 20 years to realize the humor in "WinCE"?
Frankly it's a bit like HyperCard.
One of the things we learned early on in trying to integrate a D365 system into our UI integration test automation, was that when you changed pages, the previous page was actually still in the DOM and so if you didn't update your locators to the new "context" or screen, you'd be trying to interact with things from two screens ago. I dunno honestly what they would have done without someone like me who could actually RE that. The guy that had seniority over me was completely lost.
wtf is it with managers and pushing shitty microsoft products?
everyone hates teams and outlook but somehow every single manager is forcing us to use it.
Salesmen
i guess i'm happy i don't know wtf this is.
Normalized objects for microsoft compatibility is how I understood it but it's been a while.
Fun fact, making extensions for this requires you to learn a new language called X++ that is based on .net framework 4.7. Development is done only on azure-hosted VMs that contain the application code and sql server and web host and visual studio with the special X++ build tools, all on one host that runs like shit at your expense.
I have been developing plugins for dynamics 365 crm for the last few years and have never heard of x++. Plugins for the crm are developed in c#/.NET 4.6.2.
The only x++ reference I could find in the Microsoft documentation with a quick search was referencing the finance and operations apps. So there seems to be some variance in the products.
Yeah, I admitted in another comment that it may only be for Dynamics F&O.
X++
I searched it up so you don't have to (it's surprisingly hard to find example code for, the first one I found was literally a screenshot on a Microsoft blogpost.)
You really couldn't just use C# for this Microsoft? REALLY????
You really couldn’t just use C# for this Microsoft? REALLY???
no. how else would a middle manager pad his CV with "lead the development of an important new programming language used by millions of customers"?
How funny. I worked with Dynamics CRM years ago and we did use C#. What the actual fuck are they doing now...
I think I just suffered a mild stroke reading this.
This sounds like something a programmer would come up with as a joke, but because it's Microsoft, I believe you.
I just went through that for a while and saw nothing that doesn't look exactly like C#. If it's based around .NET and looks exactly like C#, why the fuck not just use C#?
As somebody who first started coding BASIC on an Apple IIe in 1981, I am just so tired of new languages. They all do basically the same shit and there's just no real point to any of them.
Imagine JS and C# had a baby, and it was mentally challenged.
We had that in 1999 - JScript
I thought jscript was just javascript, but called that because of ✨Trademark Issues✨
I supported standard JDK stuff but had lots of Visual Basic and Windows extras.
Yeppers. When I worked on a D365 transition we were upgrading from a 1980s era DOS based thing (D3 aka Pick). We literally had like one of the last Pick developers left on earth. He ended up training his two kids on the system so they could take over for him. They all ended up having to learn X++ instead. I wonder which was worse to deal with.
What the fuck is even that?
You don't want to know.
If you really want to know
Microsoft Dynamics 365 is an integrated suite of enterprise resource planning (ERP) and customer relationship management (CRM) applications offered by Microsoft. -Wikipedia
The entire summary on Wikipedia is sales guy bullshit. It’s barely comprehensible.
allowing businesses to streamline their operations, improve customer engagement, and make data-driven decisions. The platform is highly customizable, enabling organizations to tailor it to their specific needs and industry requirements. Dynamics 365 is designed to help businesses unify their processes, gain insights into their operations, and foster better relationships with customers.
Bruh you dropped this: ^synergize^
What in the holy fucking late capitalistic non sense is this?
I was going through azure web app services, who the f names this things.
Automatic scaling and autoscale are two different things. WTF.
Microsoft always has 20 variants of the same name for maximal confusion. It's deep in their culture.
Atleast it's not as terrible as SAP, although I hate browser-based ERPs as well
Satan's Accounting Program
WTAFF is that supposed to be anyway?
I have used 3 different ERPs and every one is worse than the other. I am almost curious enough to try dynamics to see what kind of flavor of ERP BS has Microsoft managed to produce