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Fake celebrity nudes have been around since.... How old is Adobe photoshop now?
It's just going to be up to a level where it will go full circle and people won't actually believe true nudes are real because the default expectation is that they are all fake.
I'd really love to believe the narrative that the widespread adoption of LLMs will lead to a renaissance of technological breakthroughs, but deep down I know that it's ultimately going to amplify and enable the absolute worst of what humanity has to offer.
I got really into so a few years back, partly as a hobby, partly to help me learn to code, partly out of the belief that knowing this could be good for a career transition.
About six months in the realization hit me that this isn’t one of those job creating inventions. It’s a job destroying invention.
I still tinker around with so a lot and even at its current development I think it’s a really, really fucking cool tool if you’re running a model locally and have control over it, but i honestly believe it will kill capitalism, and that it’s going to be bloody, bloody fight.
The scariest part of the LLM craze is seeing people immediately off-load their critical thinking to a black-box mechanism -- for everything from everyday decisions, to life-altering ones like career choices and break-ups.
We have people who are making relationship decisions based on LLM output. People who are getting their delusions validated by AI conversations. I still see human comments posting "I asked ChatGPT and-". For all the anti-intellectualism I've seen, I never thought people would be so quick to offshore their own autonomy, down to the most mundane aspects.
I mean, given that every search engine is pretty much fucking useless now I usually don’t even bother using them and to right to DeepSeek when I need knowledge.
And it truly is incredible to be able to ask questions, get answers, and then go back and forth with the model to get as deep as you need to go. There’s moments, when it works, when it feels like interacting with the computer on Star Trek.
Buts it’s wrong SO OFTEN. Which doesn’t bother me so much because I’m not a fucking idiot and can cross reference what I learn, test the answers, and find other sources.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to take it all literally and at face value.
But then again the bible is still widely read so I really think people underestimate just how fucking stupid people are.
enable the absolute worst of what humanity has to offer.
can we call it a reality check? we think of humans as so great and important and unique for quite a while now while the world is spiraling downwards. maybe humans arent so great after all. like what is art? ppl vibe with slob music but birds cant vote. how does that make sense? if one can watch AI slob (and we all will with the constant improvements in ai) and like it, well maybe our taste of art is not any better than what a bird can do and like. i hope LLM will lead to a breakthrough in understanding what type of animal we really are.
The deepfake concern is moot imo.
If there's fake porn of every celebrity in existence then no one photo can be trusted as real, no one different or more put upon than anyone else, all in the same boat.
sees a naked photo of a celeb or hear them say something so offbase that it can't be true
meh, probably fake...
forever.
Japan
The same place that had used panties in vending machines and this is somehow shocking.
There's still a difference between a piece of clothing that may or may not have been worn by anonymous women and creations using real people without their knowledge or consent. Not trying to defend those vending machines but these aren't the same in terms of results and potential effects on the victims.
I think this is more a comment on the particular strain of misogyny that pervades Japanese society and not being surprised that a country which has women only metro carriages out of necessity to prevent sexual harassment is also having a problem with AI generated deep fakes. Though the latter is also a problem in many other countries which have access to these image models.
That's a fair point but, as you already mentioned, deepfakes are a pretty universal problem unfortunately. The type of misogyny in Japan compared to say US or Europe doesn't seem to affect that much (if at all). Either way, it's a terrible practice without sufficient ways to combat it at the moment which makes me pretty worried about how things will evolve in the future - in terms of "content", affecting lives of victims and laws that will come out of this (some probably made in the worst possible knee-jerk reactionary ways).
I tend to lean more towards the problem being distribution rather than creation, so I'm curious about your opinion on this: Is there a difference between me imaging a sexual act with someone without their consent vs writing/drawing/deepfaking it?
In my opinion absolutely. Whatever happens in your head stays in your head and doesn't affect the other person unless you take active steps for that to happen. Images or videos on the other hand can not only be distributed far easier, even accidentally, but also have a way higher chance of affecting people's lives (how can you disprove you didn't take nude photos of yourself for example? let alone make people believe it). They can lead to loss of reputation, harassment, bullying and serious mental issues for the victims (trust issues, anxiety, depression, self-harm) - imagination can't really do that on its own.
Perhaps distribution is the real problem but easy access to tools that can create convincing results quickly and without effort makes said distribution way more probable.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. It sounds like it's the potential for harm/damage rather than the act itself that makes it an issue for you?
I still think the act itself is pretty gross but yeah, the harm is the important part for me - and I don't mean that just in case of sexual images. It's also a problem in terms of content created to affect people's reputation in other ways or influence the sociopolitical situation (something that's already happening around the world).
The harmful potential of generative AI is on a completely different scale than photoshopped images already mentioned in this thread by others. That doesn't mean genAI can't be used in fun and interesting ways but stuff like what's described in the linked article is a big no no for me.
Photoshops were a thing before AI. Nobody cares because its just a weird thing creepy do in private.
Photoshop requires at least some skill and doesn't allow for mass production of fakes the way generative AI does. Same problem, different scale.
The pick AI deepfake would be ai tor website where anyone can upload two photos and watch first being fucked by second.
Hopefully they're at least mature looking women.
Or how about just adults.
Adult Adults or Pubescent Adults? Because that sounds like you want a lower bar to clear? Japan is one of many nations following Romeo and Juliet laws which protect minors age 14 to 18 and pre-existing relationships from persecution by the law, but personally I think production of all sub-18 pornographic imagery should be banned and all gratuitous imagery should be heavily restricted.
Adults. Where I am from the word adult only has one meaning. An adult is a person of 18 years of age at the very least.
You said "mature looking" for which a 16 year old person might qualify depending on the exact interpretation which is not ok. It doesn't matter what they look like, it matters whether they are an adult or not. Going for looks reminds me of creeps going "he/she is so mature for his/her age". That is not ok.
We're talking about fictional women and artwork, their physical age is measured in seconds. In my language Woman means to say Adult Female, as opposed to Girl.
Oh right. My mistake. I guess when it comes to art then anything that isn't obviously a child is technically legal, if distasteful and morally more than questionable. At least that is the legal situation in most countries.
My objective is the minimisation of harm. If someone uses artwork and that means that they will never touch an underage person then that is a good thing even though I may not like it.
My objective is the minimisation of harm. If someone uses artwork and that means that they will never touch an underage person then that is a good thing even though I may not like it.
I have never understood why we persecute and prosecute seemingly without taking this into account at all and treat someone with pedophile urges who never acted on them the same way as we treat someone who looked at drawn images and both of those the same was as someone who looks at actual images of real children being abused or someone who actively abuses children.
If anything we should try to offer the first two help in their attempts to never let their urges affect any real, existing children.
However a lot of the time it feels more like our society is designed to achieve the opposite in its active hostility to people who want to live their lives largely in places where they won't encounter children.
Sometimes when you create leeway or ambiguity, the worse kinds of people will use it to stress the limits and do unimaginable harm. For example, legalizing a child pornography production and collection would legalize the company that profits off of child pornography and emboldens those with pedophilic urges.
Better to make it illegal and let the judge and jury decide the severity of punishment.
But sometimes when you leave people alone with their struggles they end up losing against those urges.
And nobody said that the production of child pornography should be legalized, though even talking about this reveals that we apparently don't make a linguistic distinction between material that essentially requires sexual abuse of children to produce and material that requires nothing more than some art supplies and artistic skill. That is the part that I consider disgusting, that we apparently dislike it so much that we forget all about the actual harm the production of some of it does to actual children in our efforts to use euphemistic language to avoid thinking about it too much. It feels like the emotional comfort of those taking part in the public discourse about it is more important than actually solving the problem for the victims.
I don't think you correctly parsed my statement at all tbh. I was saying optics is the only indication of age in these images, they cannot literally be 18 if they don't exist.
So if they look adult they are.
I applaud your optimism
They could still be sarcastic.... Beware!
That's impossible because there is no tag. When you see a statement on the internet you need to automatically assume the poster truly believes it or else you open the door to the intolerant.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. It sounds like your main issue is the potential damage that could be caused and not the act itself?
Could they maybe deepreal their way out of having to censor the hentai already?
Yet, nobody is actually doing it! I mean doing anything about it like doing it. But I mean, it's happening so somebody must be doing it. I don't know man, I think for sure there has to be somebody doing it.
Ngl, I've been tempted to find one of those things and use it on a picture of myself just to see how accurate they get.
But it would have to be totally offline, and even then I wouldn't actually do it
Don't worry buddy, send me a picture and I can do it for you, free of charge!
Well, how about a cock pic? 
The resolution on those is so poor that I can't imagine these becoming popular unless they figure out how to get them much less pixelated.
And most of the porn is pixelated anyway? At this point I’d assume anything pixelated is Pavlovian and arousing to most Japanese.
Box blur just hits different if you are Japanese
I unironically had that
So that's the trick!... I just need bigger pixels!
