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[–] [email protected] 351 points 1 week ago (31 children)

All these stories about zoomers not knowing how to do computer stuff is making me want to write a fantasy world where magic is prevalent but most people do not bother to know how it works or question it beyond its surface applications, despite it being the basis for all military and economic might.

Well I wanted to write that, but then I realized I was talking about FMA: Brotherhood.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like the Empire in warhammer 40k operates on a similar premise, all there machune rituals and what not are just maintanance, but nobody understands the machines, so they'll just reenact what was shown to someone eons ago or what have seemed to cause some effect.

just like me blowing into NES Cartridges when a game would not start :D.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Smearing computers with weird oils and burning sage in a server room sounds crazy now, but rather that than try your luck with a customer service LLM.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is why all my stuff is painted red. It goes faster!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Don't forget to add some Speed Holes!

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"So, like, you can just conjure up a gun out of a brick?"

"It's more complicated than that! You have to do a bunch of math and science and draw a circle and stuff"

"Okay, sure... but then you can just create a gun. Or you can science water into wine. Or any dirty liquid into clean water. Or medicine? You can turn dust into medicine. Using nothing but your brain and a stick of chalk."

"Well, yes! Isn't it cool!"

"And what did you say your title was, again?"

"The big fucking gun alchemist, why?"

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In sci-fi proper that is also a plot point of Isaac Asimov's The Foundation. The giant galactic empire collapses and all the scholars are holed up on a planet to preserve knowledge. They then go out to other planets and give technology, but everyone is so ignorant that it seems like magic and the scholars kind of roll with it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Discworld's magic system is like this. The wizards often don't know why certain parts of a ritual or spell are in place, but it works so they don't touch it

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Half of the plots of the Wizard books are about what happens when someone ignores that advice and does start poking at things better left alone. Wizards are only human after all, and the magical equivalent of a "don't touch; wet paint" sign leaves them so very tempted.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Ridcully would see a wet paint sign, take it down, touch the paint, then demand the Bursar to do something about "all the messes they keep leaving around here."

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

I got the impression that most Discworld wizards actually avoid doing magic altogether, because the way things work traditionally is way too risky.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ive seen at least one other anime that was like that, cant remember the title but the magic system was surprisingly fleshed out for a 12 episode anime

Edit: Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (13 children)

It's also basically how the Adeptus Mechanicus operates in 40k. Lots of worshipping the old tech, preserving it, and there's some limited giant machines that they could never fathom rebuilding or even fixing so they're very protective of them

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This was one of my biggest gripes with the JK Rowling Wizarding World before Rowling herself gave me other reasons to dislike it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

As a worldbuilding enthusiast who cares a lot about making it all hang together as a rich tapestry and all (come check us out at https://lemmy.world/c/worldbuilding btw) it really does chafe to see someone become a billionaire by literally only making their worldbuilding serve the plot and the tone, with no effort to make it internally consistent or even coherent outside of the main narrative.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

onward kinda has this, but practically everyone forgot magic

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is something I think about a lot, and has been done well in fiction plenty already. My adhd wouldn’t just go away in a fantasy world. Sure I might have a burst of motivation for a while, but I probably wouldn’t magically be interested in studying and research just because I might be able to do some basic magic.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disability in fiction is always going to be fertile soil imo because it's such a genuine aspect of the human experience. Even when fictional devices have answers for some things (a focus spell would be nice), there are still always personal struggles that are worth exploring.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It was inevitable. Long ago you had to know a lot about cars and engines to own a car. Now only enthusiasts know that kind of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That's how i think of it. My dad can tear a car apart. I can't wrap my head around changing the brakes. But i know how computers work, because i grew up needing to know.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

I always found it fascinating to learn about the things I used in my life worked, because as a kid I loved learning to take things apart, mod, and put them back together. But there never seems to be enough time to study and understand everything, because most devices we use are over-engineered (read: repair hostile), so I can't ever think about becoming a jack of all trades like my family members are.

Electronics, yes. Mechanical, no. I have to pay someone else to help me.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Eh, there's a curiosity aspect as well. I can't do work on my car, but I can change the oil, tires, brake pads, and such. I understand the principle of how an IC engine works. I'm a computer programmer but I think it's because I'm a curious person who likes knowing how things work, and computers offer more chances to learn than anything else on the planet.

It isn't ignorance that has ever bothered me about boomers, zoomers, or anyone else. It's that 99% of people you meet are fundamentally incurious. They don't care how things work, they don't care if they could work differently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Curiosity was always rare, and not always encouraged. We're the "make the same hand axes for hundreds of millennia" people, after all.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reminds me about that line in World War Z (Max Brooks)

(Paraphrasing) "Some survivors were frustrated with the assignments they were given. A lady who was a former TV exec was furious that she was assigned to a janitorial unit, led by someone who's lifetime salary she made in a month!

For people like her, you didn't have to worry about fixing a plumbing issue or cleaning your home. She just hired someone else to do it, because she made money talking on the phone, and the more people she hired, the more time she could spend talking on the phone. After the Great Panic, nobody bothered to use phones anymore. There were no TV contracts that needed to be made, but there were toilets that needed work, and floors to clean. In a strange way, the blue collar workers outranked their "superiors" in importance to the community. We needed mechanics, engineers, HVAC workers, plumbers. We had those people of course, but there was never enough of them."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Reminds me of the story of Golgafrincham from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy books:

The planet Golgafrincham creatively solved the problem of middle managers: it blasted them in to space.

Golgafrinchan Telephone Sanitisers, Management Consultants and Marketing executives were persuaded that the planet was under threat from an enormous mutant star goat. The useless third of their population was then packed in Ark spaceships and sent to an insignificant planet.

That planet turned out to be Earth.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So like, how did she get an emulator working on iOS without knowing how?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

You can just download one from the App Store as of a year or so ago.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago

A lot of emulators are just apps, but the iso itself is a bigger mystery. My guess is an older sibling or even parent helped set that up. Nobody in their right mind would bundle a licensed game with an emulator on the app store.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I don't think it was even an emulator, it was probably the official Nintendo port called 'Super Mario Run'.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would assume she has a nerdy family member or friend that assisted.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What's the cutoff year for this mindset? Granted, I'm an electrical engineer, but I was born in the early 2000s, and my friends had a solid grasp of computer software and hardware fundamentals.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

It’s not an age thing so much as an “amount of interest” thing. The barriers to entry are constantly being lowered, so it takes less skill and investment to get involved in things.

It’s one thing to download a free trial of something like photoshop, it’s another thing to spend years using it to the point where you understand the full capabilities of what you can do with it.

As you get older you’ll see things that used to require a lot of effort to get into become easier and easier to access. It’s the march of technological progress, and it might make you feel like it’s devaluing the things you used to value. And then you’ll understand why your grandparents were always going on about “Back in my day…”

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

part of it is down to exposure as well, if you grow up in a place where you can't just buy the latest iphone every year it's a lot more likely that you'll end up fiddling around with stuff and learn how it works.

like india has a lot of this, people can't afford a new device but it's not that difficult to get some "e-waste" which is still perfectly functional (if slow), so kids are way more likely to end up fiddling around and learning.

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