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[–] [email protected] 18 points 16 hours ago

o7

This is why we need to save the bees.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

Sic semper apiaster

[–] [email protected] 35 points 21 hours ago

My condolences to that bee's hive for their loss.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 23 hours ago

Pouring one out for comrade bee's noble sacrifice 😞

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Always remember this day. The day when one, small bee gave his life for the cause.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The question I ask myself is: You have that much money,you have a private jet on standby, a large security detail.

And none fucking thought about getting competent medical team or at least a fucking competent paramedic? I mean....I am generally unsympathetic amongst almost all billionaires, but as someone who has literally done VIP escorts as a critical care paramedic I wonder who fucked up that much.(But these were all "old wealth" and actually were not billionaires. And tbh they treated us with more respect than most members of the public do-that gives them at least some plus point)

It's not like Airway obstruction nor anaphylaxis is untreatable/isn't absolutely manageable if caught early.

Anyway, can we please get a fundraiser for the poor queen of that bee?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Anyway, can we please get a fundraiser for the poor queen of that bee?

It's on the front page of GoFundBee!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Any med school student should know how to macguyver an airway in an emergency. They literally teach it in civilian lifesaving classes these days. My guess is this guy was such an asshole, his entire medical staff was like "bruh I am not making the hole, you do it."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I don't know which med school or civilian lifesaving courses you attend - but emergency cricothyrotomy surely isn't a skill that is taught and mastered by any of these I teach.

Cric is a delicate skill that needs repetition and knowledge - it's far from easy and not even close to what is shown in some bad TV shows.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

As it came up here a bit of a longer explanation.

  1. Airway management contains much more than just "getting a hole into the neck" - it starts with nebulised adrenaline (which works wonders but must be used in moderation due to the side effects), regular endotracheal intubation with a (preferably video)laryngoscope, if necessary with a tube that is resistant against swelling(woodbridge tube) before a cricothyrotomy (not a tracheotomy,see below) is performed - and is supported by intravasal drugs (mostly adrenaline, a glucocorticoid and H1 blockers, in some cases also a beta2 antagonist and a anticholinergic agent). A cric is always the last choice due to the high risk to benefit ratio.

  2. Even a qualified responder won't do a tracheotomy - emergency tracheotomies are extremly rare and basically only necessary when either the pharyngeal structures are damaged beyond rescue (due to trauma, cancer or some real rare diseases. This is not the case in anaphylaxis. The reasons for a tracheotomy not being used are many. It takes a lot of time,is far harder to achieve (getting between the tracheal cartilage is not as easy as it sounds), the risk of "hitting" structures that are vital to the patient are considerable (seen a patient who's v.jug. ran over the spot) and the required training to do it is considerable - Besides ENTs and sometimes intensivists around here none therefore is even trained to do it anymore. I occasionally teach emergency surgical techniques to interns and med students and we don't do so,beyond explaining the core concept, neither does any uni in central or northern Europe that I know of, same goes for AU/NZ.

  3. A "cric" is far easier, but still takes some skill - both needle or open surgical cric(I would prefer the later) does require correct identification of the landmarks (which can be tough), good surgical technique and mainly: Training - lots of it. We therefore teach paramedics only a needle based approach (in combination with jet ventilation) - and tbh, most EM docs are not that "up to standard" in this technique as well - even though a cric is far easier than a trach.

  4. The technique mentioned here will, with a 95% chance, not lead to any airway access, damage the thyroid (which bleeds like fuck) or the vagina carotica (the structure that contains the large vessels in the neck as well as the nervus vagus). If that happens the patient is usually beyond rescue. A case that, even if in cardiac arrest, had at least a slim chance of survival, will then certainly die - post anaphylaxis arrests with good bystander CPR have a somewhat improved prognosis - considering that that a laymans trach likely would diminish chest compression quality for minutes this would simply take that chance away from the patient.

  5. Whoever thinks he needs to teach that in civilan responder courses needs to be fired - it's not part in any curriculum worldwide as they are all more or less based on the same guidelines.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

As a civilian what I know is hit the notch in hard cartilege approx 2 fingers below the Adam's apple, incision half an inch deep, and if you get the tube in you have to breathe for them.

And that you should only do it if there are no medical people present and the person is obviously dying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Nothing beats a layman explaining the job most professionals won't do to a professional who does it.

BTW: This is all wrong and will make things worse. Please don't do what this dude writes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

So... how do you tell an airway obstruction requiring an improvised tracheotomy and a similarly-presenting respiratory distress (resulting from, say, catastrophically low blood potassium) apart? Because if you get that wrong suddenly someone, who needed at worst an hour of IV therapy and a flintstone chewable to make a full recovery, is drowning in their own blood.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Thank you, this is the kind of reply I was hoping for. I would love more information.

So, if the person has completely stopped breathing, and ambulances are 20+ minutes away, should I limit my response to attempted CPR?

Is it your opinion even if they have been stung by a bee etc?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'm assuming you've contacted 911 / emergency services since you know that the ambulance is 20 minutes away. In that case, the dispatcher will step you through an emergency diagnosis and if such an extreme action is warranted either they will put you in touch with a medical professional who can instruct you on safe procedure, or they will be a qualified paramedic and instruct you themselves. However that is EXTREMELY unlikely, tracheotomy are almost never warranted (outside of television) in emergency situations, as stabbing someone in the neck is not a trivial thing to do. In my region the procedure isn't even taught to first responders (Edit: I was half wrong, paramedics still learn it but EMTs do not) (Edit 2: No, I was right! Neither are taught it) as it's long been surpassed by modern intubation techniques and treatments like fast-acting anaphylaxis medications.

In short, follow the guidelines you are taught in your first aid class and contact emergency services. Don't stab someone in the neck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

So, if the person has completely stopped breathing, and ambulances are 20+ minutes away, should I limit my response to attempted CPR?

The answer is: YES

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Eh I have no knowledge about tracheotomy besides what I've seen on TV but I mean if push comes to shove I'm just gonna jab a pen tube in the victim's throat man, it's gotta be worth a try. /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Hell, I'd jab a pen in your throat right now if I suspected it would somehow improve your health

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

iirc Epi-pen is the usual treatment, and those things are pretty easy to obtain.

I think that OP philpo is on to something, that the medical staff was a bit slow to deal with the situation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think it was ignorance and/or hubris. He was either unaware of his allergy (miraculously never stung before, or developed allergy later in life), or he was kind of aware, but never assumed anything could go wrong.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I've never been to a billionaire polo match [sad trumpet] but I'd assume that there be some medical staff, like you'd find at any major sporting event where injury is likely. On the other hand, I could see how the staff was prepared for a broken neck and not considering bee stings. Either way, it's pretty funny.

[–] Warehouse 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

With anaphylactic shock, the timeline could be literally seconds. He could be dead before they even figure out what's wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

This is where caring counts. We've all seen videos where 'dad reflexes' kick in and someone reacts in micro-seconds to save a kid. Medical staff was getting paid to show up and be on stand-by. They were expecting a broken leg, or other trauma.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

Anaphylaxis sets in fast,but not within seconds - we are talking more like a couple of minutes and they can be treated. Adrenaline is one component of the treatment besides other medications (that actually "counteracts" the anaphylactic reaction, Adrenaline more or less is mainly used to buy time and fight the worst symptoms).

Airway management, fluid management, etc. are other things we need to consider.

[–] melsaskca 23 points 1 day ago

The world's poor..."Release the Bees!".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently there's thousands of billionaires. Which completely baffles. Just one of them could make sure kids never had to go hungry ever again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Kids don't go hungry because of money, they go hungry because of politics. Famines are the product of conflict, especially war. And hunger in countries that are not at war is a product of social inequality. Sure a billionaire could help but that's just a temp fix.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago

I disagree. I believe that billionaires control the world. It is their attitude that is pervasive throughout government that allows the hunger to continue. Not to mention the number of uber rich people in the various governments, riding around in limousines while their people starve.

Also capitalism requires a large body of poor people to support it. Those cheap T-shirts aren't made by highly paid labor. And who benefits most from capitalism?

I can probably come up with numerous other connections between the ultra rich and the state of poverty.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

My [sister/brother/other] in [insert deity] have you forgotten that in almost every place on the globe food is purchased with money? And that money is also how you buy politicians? One billionaire absolutely could solve hunger through a combination of direct donation and political spending.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

While money is used to by goods and services, it isn't those goods and services. It's essentially a measure of resource allocation. More money means you get more resources.

People don't go hungry due to lack of money, they go hungry due to lack of food. In an area undergoing famine, you can give people money and they'll buy food. This means people who were eating before are now going hungry. If you keep giving out money, the price of food starts to rise. Keep going, and eventually it's cheaper to leave the country than it is to buy food.

The systemic causes of hunger are complex. The complexity is sufficient that fixing them would take more money than any billionaire has.
In the US for example, we keep production high and costs low by subsidizing agriculture to the tune of $30-60 billion a year. We give individuals about $115 billion a year in money to buy food. Another $3 billion for emergency food aid. Another $25 billion for lunch for school children. Then there's intangibles, like a side effect of food subsidies being the government owning millions of tons of milk, cheese and produce that it just gives to people. Not cheap, but difficult to quantify exactly.
This all has side effects and weird consequences. Like agricultural subsidies driving down costs of grain for the entire world, making it unprofitable to be a farmer in areas with borderline arable land and causing communities to depend on imports for food, making global food market fluctuations another source of famine risk. There's also some obesity and other health impacts, as well as things like improved academic performance, but those aren't relevant to this.

To actually solve the issue, you need to invest in agricultural development. The US government spends another $200 billion a year on this. Basically, instead of just buying food or paying people to grow it, you need to invest in the tools to do so, and to manage pests and everything. Roads, water, tractors, bulldozers, powerplants, education, and all the things that support those things.

All told, the US government spends about $500 billion a year on this, and it's given us a consistently high ranking in food security indexes, with food being generally affordable and safe, and slightly less available, depending on the economy. All that, and only about 50 million people are in food insecure positions in the country.
This is before we get to the costs of doing foreign food aid.
There are billions of food insecure people on earth, and 700 million hungry.

Elon musk liquidating all his assets at face value couldn't cover the bill for one year in the country that needs the least assistance.

That being said, while they can't solve it they're certainly part of the cause. The systemic failures that have led to hunger are embodied in them. If we decided to not allow billionaires to exist, we'd be making changes to society that would actually allow us to make those expensive and overwhelming changes to solve the problems above.
One person doesn't have the resources to build roads and infrastructure needed to build the infrastructure needed to support modern farming in areas that can only scrape by, teach people the new methods needed, teach the people needed to support those people, and all of that again for getting the food to the people who need it. But if society decided people like that shouldn't exist, the resources spent so that some portion of the resources end up in their pocket would be enough to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Great news.

The only good billionaire, is a dead billionaire.

#BeesLivesMatter

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago

What a tragic loss. For the bee community.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Nature is healing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

The more we have animals exhibiting human behaviors, on top of whales & bees straight up attacking billionaires, the easier it is to believe in a collective subconscious.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

BEES! GET YOUR BEES HERE! SPICY FLIES, ALL DAY LONG. GET YOUR BEES HERE!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

keeping all that money didn't bring more security in this regard

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Frankly his lavish lifestyle of bee eating was, in retrospect, not a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh no. Where will we find another rich douche to replace him?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't worry, I'm sure his assets will be distributed among the poor and starving people in the world.

Right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

We're gonna need a bigger bee to address that one

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