this post was submitted on 26 Jun 2025
47 points (98.0% liked)

Casual Conversation

847 readers
106 users here now

Share a story, ask a question, or start a conversation about (almost) anything you desire. Maybe you'll make some friends in the process.


RULES

  1. Be respectful: no harassment, hate speech, bigotry, and/or trolling.
  2. Encourage conversation in your OP. This means including heavily implicative subject matter when you can and also engaging in your thread when possible.
  3. Avoid controversial topics (e.g. politics or societal debates).
  4. Stay calm: Don’t post angry or to vent or complain. We are a place where everyone can forget about their everyday or not so everyday worries for a moment. Venting, complaining, or posting from a place of anger or resentment doesn't fit the atmosphere we try to foster at all. Feel free to post those on [email protected]
  5. Keep it clean and SFW
  6. No solicitation such as ads, promotional content, spam, surveys etc.

Casual conversation communities:

Related discussion-focused communities

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 25 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Just call them out on their shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

"Listen, you droopy-jawed sack of shit. Every poorly thought out, caveman grunted word that leaves your cat shit smelling mouth is filled with such bullshit that you could fertilize a farm that would feed the country of North Macedonia for a decade. Now sew up your rock-salt looking crusty lips, so no one has to hear you spew your lies likes they are a fire hose draining a tank full of your crippling insecurities. "

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Friendly:

  • we have different observations
  • our experience differs
  • could you share your data? I'm surprised by the results
  • we have different expectations, could you give us more background on how you arrived at

Distant / British

  • we eagerly await your results
  • that's a brave observation
  • a bold relationship with reality

Corporate war:

  • help us reconcile our records with your reports
  • can you reaffirm the commitment dates?
  • I've CCed your partner/CEO to bring help you back into compliance
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I don't have the patience for this shit. I quit! 🖕🏻

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I like, "I'm sorry - am I misunderstanding something?" And then give your evidence they're lying.

Leaves the door open for you to be wrong (because you could be) but puts them on blast because they know you've seen through their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

"Am I misunderstanding this email from last month where you said X?"

Always get everything in writing. Also helps with making them think twice before committing to a lie in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is a great tactic. Admitting that you don't know everything allows you to respectfully challenge a norm or assumption without looking like a know it all.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hahaha - I don't intend this to be offensive, because I talk & think exactly the same way - but this is the most "tell me you work in corporate without telling me you work in corporate" sentence ever lmao

I swear it must seem like we make up the lingo as we go sometimes.

Hope we can circle back on this later to leverage our brainstorming synergies. I'll send out the minutes to stakeholders in a bit. 😛

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Oh man, listen to Weird Al's song Mission Statement. I love that it exists.

https://youtu.be/GyV_UG60dD4

[–] remotelove 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If it's more formal, you don't say anything. In almost all cases where someone would be tempted to lie, I should already know what the correct information is before I even asked a question.

In less formal situations, I would just keep asking follow-up questions. Lies are generally very shallow.

Edit: My point is that there are methods to call someone out without actually making direct accusations. Accusations are "hostile" and not generally worth derailing a meeting for something that can be dealt with later.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Depends what matters in that context. If it's just the facts, then just quote them if you can. If you must, for whatever reason, point it out you just paraphrase their statement coupled with the the facts, like for example "You stated this thing happened, however we found the other thing to have occurred". Don't explicitly say that they lied, leave room for interpretation, perhaps there was a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

That doesn’t align with the information we have.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"I trust you, but I still need to verify."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

"Trust but verify" are some excellent words to live by. Some boss I had years ago bestowed that wisdom upon me when I was still a wee spritely junior engineer.

It's hard to implement in practice, though, and I still fall victim to the "Damn, I should have just checked" pretty often.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

„That might not be entirely accurate”.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

"Just to make sure we're on the same page.." is something I write a lot

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The most corporate of corporate ways is to say that what the other party is saying doesn’t align with your experience/observations. In specific circumstances, though, you can (and should) challenge it as bluntly as possible.

Example…person A says “My local users have been running their Dell Precision 7780 laptops with 65W power bricks and no performance impact.” Person B says “that’s not possible, they’re equipped with i9 CPUs, RTX 5000 GPUs, and come with 200W power bricks.”

Example: A says “I asked you for this load balancer configuration a month ago and you never did it. I’m copying our managers so they can see that you’re the one holding up the process.” Person B says “I told you via your service ticket that it was done within a couple hours and requested feedback. Here’s a screenshot of the ticket’s chat log, which explicitly says that it’s done and you need to add the DNS entry to make it work. Here’s a timestamped screenshot of my command line showing that you haven’t done that. Here’s a screenshot of my /etc/hosts file and browser showing what it looks like when the DNS entry is correct. This whole thing could have been handled with a 3-line Teams chat, no need to escalate.”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Only thing I would say is to watch your language and use of "we/you/I", do not say "I told you".

It comes across as combative.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My favorite was trying to get some other tech to update BIOS and essentially telling them "run it again, except this time READ THE FUCKING PROMPTS/OUTPUT" in the politest way possible. Funny enough, their BIOS update went through that time!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The recent BIOS updates for some of these Precisions and Latitudes have really tested the patience of my team…yeah, reading literally anything on the screen is apparently a lost art.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It was the Dells (in my case, desktops) for me too 😅 BIOS updates were pushinf through WUFB for the HPs, which is great, until HP pushes a janky BIOS update.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"I don't think that aligns with my experience". For some reason, people find I statements less abrasive, so they tend to be a bit slower to harden up against them. Best done with specific examples, even better with receipts, because people are more than likely going to want to know what you're talking about about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Hm. Why do you say that?" "Interesting. Can you explain that to me?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Here... Take this rope.... Tie a knot. No reason

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Another one I heard is "We don't have the exactly same understanding"