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New Mexico governor issues order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque (apnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What a silly hill to die on. This is blatantly unconstitutional. That's obvious to everyone, even those of us who might agree in spirit. So it's just a waste. A waste of time and tax payer money. New Mexico is gonna spend time and resources on this that could be better spent elsewhere.

What's more it wastes political capital. Capital that is gonna be needed soon for the Democratic party. So I can't fathom why she's doing this. She just gave conservatives the high ground and a huge rallying call.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

With the current court, it is unconstitutional. Several states banned public carry when the country was founded including Virginia so it's not like that was unheard of at the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

100% this. It feels like sabotage.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A judge has already issued a temporary order to block the ban.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank goodness, the murders can continue

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know right, this governor should have made murder illegal instead touches forhead

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I don't think it's quite an equivalence. When carrying firearms is illegal (as it effectively is in my country of Canada), you know whenever you see someone with a gun that you should run and call the police. You know they're up to no good. In many US states, if you see someone with a gun... you kinda just have to deal with it. Maybe they'll shoot you. Maybe they just need to overcompensate for something. You can't really run from it because it can be so common.

A decent amount of gun crime is also spur of the moment acts. They won't go home, get their gun, and come back. The gun violence only happens because the perpetrator happened to have a gun when they were angry. Banning carrying doesn't guarantee people won't be armed in public, but it sure will heavily reduce it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. Waiting until after murders occur is definitely the right approach to curbing gun violence.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

For a second there I worried my children could die without firearms!

[–] Poob 25 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Open or concealed carry is insane. You Americans are unhinged.

This is from a gun owner.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Believing a politician can unilaterally suspend a right protected by both the federal and state constitution is unhinged.

[–] Poob 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on carrying a gun in public

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public. So its unhinged to ban these individuals from carrying thinking it'll stop criminals.

[–] Poob 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Again, I wasn't commenting about the ban. Just the desire to carry a gun in public.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public.

Than the general public in America maybe, but legal gun owners in other countries have a violent crime rate of functionally zero, since they're properly vetted through laws that aren't dogshit.

But even giving you that point, what about all the violent crime those permissive laws enable?

Over 70% of mass shooters use legal firearms. Of the remaining, most are teenagers who took the poorly secured firearm of a family member.

There is no magic gun fairy distributing illegal firearms. Every firearm in the hands of a criminal was either bought legally, stolen from a "responsible gun owner" who didn't secure it, straw purchased or purchased through a loophole.

Nevertheless, the pro-gun community opposes more robust background checks, mandatory safe storage laws or the closing of loopholes.

And what does the public get in return? Mostly just shot because none of the pro-gun promises have come true.

Good guys with guns intervene in 3% of shootings. The crime rate remains the same as comparable countries. The country is no more free when measured by any metric except guns. The government spies on and kills its own citizens.

The gun laws are a failure.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I saw, even the Democrat AG of New Mexico won't support or defend this in court.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, she's also lost the support of many of her party members.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Goddam...we love our guns, though.

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