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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It means acknowledging that Palestinians have also lived in disputed territories for generations; that many of them were not only displaced when Israel was formed but continue to be forcibly displaced by a settler movement that too often has received tacit or explicit support from the Israeli government; that Palestinian leaders who’ve been willing to make concessions for a two-state solution have too often had little to show for their efforts; and that it is possible for people of good will to champion Palestinian rights and oppose certain Israeli government policies in the West Bank and Gaza without being anti-semitic.

[–] avidamoeba 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sounds like grounds for denying Israeli visa.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Clearly Obama really was a secret Muslim all along /s

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

Well thought out and pragmatic in which you cherry pick a quote.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still disappointed in Obama for so many things, but dear lord he was miles ahead of Trump or Biden in thoughtful leadership.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, always really nice and thoughtful words of him. His actions on the other hand show, that he has not the slightest (!) problem with civilian casualties if his military targets are achieved too:

https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data

As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im not saying he didn't do wrong, but I think it's probably unfair to say he didn't have the "slightest problem" with civilian casualties. It seems likely to me that those were difficult choices for him to make.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

He killed more people than bush in spite of “ending” the war on terror. He ordered targeted killings of American citizens without trial, including a seventeen year old. He’s a monster.