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Remember when we told everyone what he was going to do and millions of voters told us we were fearmongering, lying, exaggerating, or that he "didn't mean it"?
I used to love being right. Now I fucking hate it.
I have fairly recently learned that this is the curse of Cassandra. I also hate it.
You can do both. I regularly slap down mofos who say "I didn't vote to lose (government subsidies they need to survive)"
Oh yes you did! brings up the section of project 2025 that brutally guts said subsidies
Genuine and serious question: Where does that get you?
As good as it may feel to call these people out for their ignorance and stupidity (and yes, they were very ignorant and very stupid), what is it actually doing to help stop Trump's agenda right now?
Telling them off might feel good, and right, and incredibly justified, but it's not going to win people over.
What America needs right now is a mass movement against Trump's agenda, and a big part of building that movement is going to have to be reaching out to those people who are disgusted with the reality of Trump's agenda and bringing them into the fold, even if they helped put it in motion in the first place.
Where did I say I'm calling them ignorant and stupid?
They say, "I didn't vote for [x]
I tell them calmly, "Yes you did, because of [y] in Project 2025. They said they would do it, they even printed the manual."
Fair enough. If you're actually approaching this with the goal of trying to educate rather than humiliate then we're on the same page.
I had inferred from your use of terms like "slap down" that this was not the case. Clearly I was wrong.
So what's your communication approach, then? Remaining ignorant piles of shit won't exactly make them change their minds, either.
Help them out of their ignorance. Start by agreeing with their frustrations and then continue to explore common ground from there.
And when I say "agree with their frustrations" I mean the stuff that you can legitimately agree on. Start with this tax plan, which fucks over anyone making less than about $300,000 a year. Maybe let them know that Trump instituted similar tax cuts last time around; that this isn't a one time mistake. Maybe help them to understand that a lot of the moves Trump and his team are making right now are straight out the Project 2025 playbook; studies showed that the more people learned about Project 2025 the more they hated it. Trump had to pretend he knew nothing about it, so showing them that he's now following it to the letter might get you somewhere.
Find the places where you can agree, and work from there.
How many people have you won over?
Why would it matter what I answer? I could tell you 1, I could tell you 1000, you have no reason to believe me either way.
And more importantly, there's no clear way to define "winning people over". You're not going to sit down, have a conversation with someone, and an hour later have them sign a full confession recanting all of their previous beliefs. People erode. They change slowly, a little at a time.
I can tell that by having these kinds of conversations, I have seen people change their views. I've watched people go from ride or die for their conservative vote to actually saying "Yeah, I don't think this guy actually has our best interests at heart" or even just "OK, I don't actually agree with everything he's saying." But a lot of the time you won't even get that level of feedback. You're planting seeds that you may not ever see grow. Sometimes you're planting seeds for someone else to water, and for another someone else to harvest. It's a process, it doesn't have a clearly defined little victory marker. But I can tell you from personal experience that if you try, it does yield positive results.
If you'd said 1, I would have believed you.
And it’s been like that since 2016. These people never learn.
Since 1968
People were mad at the status quo. When times are shit, change can seem attractive.
Even if in reality the change presented by Trump only makes shit worse.
So happy they’re getting what they voted for!
Don't worry, I've been assured that nothing has changed, this is all business as usual, and I'm a filthy liberal for saying that the past month alone has been utterly fucked to a disproportionate degree.
And also furious that we're getting what they voted for!
I've been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point and damn do I hate being right all the time
He must be exhausted. Give the poor man a break.
Does he know about this? Is he in the room with you right now?
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
Literally no. I remember a good ~8 months of "Run ANYONE except Biden, even Kamala, and I'll totally fall in line and vote against fascism pinky-promise" that went silent once Biden was actually replaced, though.
Maybe you need a different echo chamber? Just like I told people that gen z and the podcast bros weren't guaranteed votes. And Hispanic and black males... It's just like when you guys told us "Bernie wasn't cheated at the dnc and if he was cheated he wouldn't have won anyway." 🙄