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[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Wait, why were we taking offensive actions?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

We've been in a cyber and shadow war with Russia for a little over a decade now. The closest we've come to a hot war so far is when Russia ordered it's mercenaries to take an oil field guarded by US troops in Syria. (We were backing the rebels, they were backing Assad) We asked them if they were Russian and the Russians denied it so we unleashed the full power of the US Air Force on the column. Something like 5 guys out of 300 survived.

And ever since then Russia has decided a campaign of political influence, hacking, and physical sabotage was the way to go.

So yeah a country isn't going to just sit there and take that, there should be a response. If for nothing else then to counter their efforts.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

B/c USA is a genocidal empire. Ofc it's been attacking the alt-empire. It's just completely hidden from us until someone dares to stop it. Then the imperial media goes apeshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Every nation outside of Russia has been under attack from Russian mercenary groups for over a decade. In the news they're typically referred to as "ransomware gangs". This is a euphemism. The reality is that these groups all have ties back to FSB or other parts of the Russian military structure. They operate with the approval of the Russian government, and they attack Russia's adversaries. They attack civilian infrastructure indiscriminately, disabling power, water, logistics, schools, hospitals... they don't care what the damage is, they don't care if people die because of their actions.

NotPetya is the classic example. That was 8 years ago. Since then the frequency and scope of attacks has increased.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It seems like we also don't care what the damage is or else we would make at least some effort to secure our IT systems. Of course the robber should be blamed but those who leave their doors wide open are guilty too. If we care so much about the consequences of ransomware attacks, why do we not act and avoid shitty software that only compromises security and instead built more resilient systems?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The US government stepped up it's Cyber security under Obama. And until now they've had an open offer for anyone with basic cyber security certs to get a government job auditing companies and begging them to put modern security practices into place.

Trump shut them down.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Any security system is only as strong as its weakest link.

Typically that is the humans operating within it.

[–] BlameThePeacock 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Because the two countries have been attacking each other economically, politically, intellectually, and digitally for decades now.

Just because people aren't shooting guns at each other doesn't mean a war isn't happening.

The US is also at war with China.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 56 minutes ago

There was a 2 decade pause after the Soviet Union fell apart. And I would qualify that China is lower grade than Russia. We're in an arms race with China and we are both doing intense intelligence work against the other. But China isn't trying to actively sabotage infrastructure or civilian business. The Russians are doing all that because it's all they can do. The Chinese are playing a longer game that they hope will see us pushed out of Asia without warfare beyond the intelligence world.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago

Maybe because russia has been taking offensive actions against the US and its allies. They helped install agent Krasnov as president FFS.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The US is likely taking offensive actions against everyone not a close ally. Probably even many of those who are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

These days, allies and adversaries have been given reverse roles.