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If I never have to see another "F🍁ck Trudeau" flag again, it will be too soon. (self.canada)
submitted 18 hours ago by JohnnyCanuck to c/canada
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Nothing says "classy" like flying that flag.

Good L🍁ck Trudeau! (But also, don't let the door hit you on the way out...)

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[–] Arkouda 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…

There was a point where Democracy didn't exist, and it wasn't that long ago. We can do better than our less intelligent ancestors can't we? Especially when we all agree generally that the systems we have aren't working.

Human tribalism will be our downfall. Just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean the alternative is "wholly impractical". It just means humans are a generally ignorant and stubborn species who hate change and cannot imagine things beyond what they know.

Which is the actual reason why we have political parties much like other Primates have their social systems that can be found across the species regardless of how beneficial it is or isn't to the health of the overall species. We aren't that far removed from our cousins.

If you can explain exactly what makes removing political parties from the system wholly impractical I am all ears, otherwise do not waste further time responding with wikipedia links you clearly do not understand.

[–] AlolanVulpix 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There was a point where Democracy didn’t exist, and it wasn’t that long ago

Yeah, back when democracy didn't exist, humanity lived in misery compared to today's living standards.

We can do better than our less intelligent ancestors can’t we? Especially when we all agree generally that the systems we have aren’t working.

Yeah, the better system is called proportional representation.

political parties from the system wholly impractical

Believe it or not, there is no part of our FPTP electoral system entrenches that political parties in the first place. I know you might not like it, but it's factually the truth. They organically come about because people, it's the most efficient way to organize.

otherwise do not waste further time responding with wikipedia links you clearly do not understand.

You are a very angry person, lol. But regardless, Duverger's law is the reason we have a "two party" system.

[–] Arkouda 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, back when democracy didn’t exist, humanity lived in misery compared to today’s living standards.

Compared to today's living standards people who lived in 1800's lived in misery. It also likely depended on who you were and where you lived, exactly like today. This is not an argument against my point.

Yeah, the better system is called proportional representation.

Make an argument for proportional representation while retaining the party system then over removing the party system as a priority. I have already made my points, you are welcome to provide an actual argument against them.

Believe it or not, there is no part of our FPTP electoral system entrenches that political parties in the first place. I know you might not like it, but it’s factually the truth. They organically come about because people, it’s the most efficient way to organize.

Believe it or not, tribalism is not the solution when tribalism is the problem. Which has been my whole point and what you continue to ignore because "Proportional rep good. Unga bunga, only way".

Fun fact! The first ever secret ballot in a Democracy was rigged! Then we decided to build a whole system around that flawed idea and call it "best". Thousands of years later Democracy still doesn't work like it was supposed to and it isn't because we never tried proportional representation in the entire history of civilization.

You are a very angry person, lol. But regardless, Duverger’s law is the reason we have a “two party” system.

Ah yes, I can only be angry because I disagree with an ignoramus. Don't give yourself so much credit, my emotional state is fine.

In political science, Duverger's law (/ˈduːvərʒeɪ/ DOO-vər-zhay) holds that in political systems with single-member districts and the plurality voting system, as in, for example, the United States, two main parties tend to emerge. In this case, votes for minor parties can potentially be regarded as splitting votes away from the most similar major party.[1][2] In contrast, systems with proportional representation usually have more representation of minor parties in government.[3]

Will you look at that, the law you are quoting that I said you didn't understand proves me right by your own link in the first paragraph...

I am not wasting further time with you.

[–] AlolanVulpix 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
  1. Yeah, that's why your point about "There was a point where Democracy didn’t exist, and it wasn’t that long ago" doesn't make any sense. Shall we return to the dark ages?
  2. I am in support of proportional representation, which can occur independent of political party, similar to FPTP.
  3. Ok, so you haven't addressed my point about political parties existing independent of FPTP. Also, I never even brought up tribalism once, that was the other commenter (nor am I even in favour of it).
  4. Yes, democracy only functions when everyone has a say in governance, as proportional representation guarantees. It is the best system of governance, and to say otherwise is shows how nonsensical your thinking is.
  5. Yes, we have a two party system because of plurality voting, which is described by Duverger's law. Elimination of political parties ... is impractical.
  6. Clearly, you are taking my responses personally. Good luck living life feeling constantly like you are the victim and holier than thou.