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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Missed the point again award. If people want to vote for conservatives, they're going to vote for conservatives, not conservatives lite. If people want to vote for leftists, they're going to vote third party, vote for the dipshit threatening to tear it all down, or stay home, not vote for conservatives lite. If you'd take a few seconds to really use your noggin, you'd understand that people are fucking drowning and desperate for a change. Not "lol the guys at the Goldman Sachs fundraiser said we should think about a 1% COLA for social security", I'm talking burn the house down and start over change. There's a reason why there's the phenomenon of the Obama-Bernie-Trump voter or Bernie-Trump voter. It's not the sexism, it's the promise of change. Obama failed to deliver, and Bernie didn't happen, which just leaves us with that fucking guy. The democrats miscalculated twice and thought that voters surely wouldn't vote for that fucking guy over their promise of change so mild that even fox news would get bored. It's not the voter's fault that the democrats failed to put forward a good platform. To the Democratic party and the people towing this line, I say: voters don't owe you victory. In fact, voters don't owe you a goddamn thing. Stop blaming them and get your shit together or get out of the way.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago

When Democrats move to the right in order to capture conservative votes, conservatives don't believe they're sincere. But the left does.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t even want the democrats to get their shit together. I want them to get the fuck out of the way. That party needs to go the way of the fucking whigs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Probably still would've been less bad if people voted for the lesser of two evils though

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Maybe. There's an argument for accelerationism. I'm not convinced of it yet, but clearly the system has entrenched interests that benefit from things being awful for everyone else, and the majority power in the Democratic party has showed that it's all too willing to roll up its sleeves and make minor adjustments. Most folks don't have 3000 years to wait for the democrats to finally adjust things to where they need to be, and in the case of climate change, we certainly don't have that time. Yes, pushing the system to collapse is going to be fucking awful, but I actually wonder if the net suffering will be less than waiting however long it takes for the lesser evil to turn good.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

It sounds like it relies on the hopium that at some point people will wake up. You are certainly more optimistic than I would be.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Very fucking right. It's toe the line though if you're interested in improving things in a very small way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The AOC+Trump voters would also fall into that category

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Bruh that's crazy about that dude's virginity

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I'm so confused, why is that there.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I was also on the side of vote for Kamala fix it after because with Trump fixing is impossible with Kamala maybe. But whenever I see stuff like

45 Democrats Vote With GOP to Pass Bill Sanctioning ICC Over Netanyahu Warrant

Senate Overwhelmingly Rejects Sanders Resolutions to Block Arms Sales to Israel

it makes me doubt how feasible this approach would be too. Sure Kamala is factors of magnitude better than Trump for the USA, for Ukraine, for LGBTQ people, for women etc. But I can understand a US citizen with roots in the middle east etc not voting for Democrats after seeing disgusting stuff like this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

"PATRIOT Act" passed Senate 98 to 1. Partisanship is for complete morons.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

At least centrists didn't have to move left.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If Trump is a conman, rapist, fascist, etc. & Democrats still lost to him, says a lot about how shitty & out of touch Democrats have been, maybe you should focus on that?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Or it shows that when you are truly awful, racist, homophobic, transphobic, idiots, your children move away from you to the cities where they don't have to talk or interact with you, which concentrates the intelligent and worthwhile portion of the population into blue centers that aren't evenly distributed across the electoral college?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Which is generally true, but he also won the popular vote. That's an indication that being awful is less important to most voters than being entertaining. The lesson I see here is Dems need to focus more on engaging rhetoric than silly trivialities like "competence" and "beneficial policy"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump's narrative, despite being just a makeover of the political establishment, is that he's anti-establishment. Democrats are just nakedly the political establishment with clown makeup pretending to be "progressive". Trump's message resonated with his audience, the Democrats' message didn't. Both of them are genocidal maniacs that are using nuclear weapons to hold the entire world hostage. Let's keep our eyes on the target here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He isn't anti-establishment though, except that he's more concerned with self aggrandizement than practical policy. Democrats are establishment that occasionally align with voter needs, Trump is 100% aligned with his own needs, which occasionally defy the establishment when there's a conflict with his interests.

Again, this comes down to messaging, i.e. rhetoric. Not in content, but in vibes. The Democrats need to pay more attention to vibes, rhetoric, than content. You're just repeating what I said with different words.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I am not repeating what you said, we have fundamentally different understandings of this system. Trump and Biden are both puppets of an imperial machine. You are trying to play strategist for the Democrats, my interest is in ending the machine. You are under the illusion that Trump emerged out of left field and is operating of his own accord, I am aware that he's just a slight rebranding of establishment policy made to look like some kind of wildcard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Your understanding of my point is incorrect. I am under no such illusion. Your interest in "ending the machine" lacks praxis to accomplish that goal. My interest is in Democratic strategy only insofar that it is a stopgap solution to that very same goal. I have no interest in equivocating liberals and fascists. Certainly, the one begets the other, in the same way a tiger cub will become an adult tiger, but I am more confident in our ability to overcome a cub than an adult tiger.

I seek Democratic victory only insofar that I do not see a mature threat to the establishment, and I seek an establishment party which is easier to subvert in the meantime, while meaningful praxis matures. Slow descent into fascism is preferable to accelerated descent into fascism, because I do not believe that accelerationism is in the interest of the people. The risk of enduring fascism is too high.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

He isn’t anti-establishment though

He's not, but that's his brand. And one of the few things he's good at is selling his brand.

What you've got is a bunch of people fed up with the system in some pretty fundamental ways, many of which don't even know how to voice their problems accurately. One side sells itself as anti-establishment (even though it's not) and the other side is nakedly as establishment as can be (to the point that they'll ratfuck primaries against anyone who rocks the boat even a little) but is very vocally progressive when they don't have to actually do anything about it or when doing so won't rock the boat even a little.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

Nothing the Democrats did mattered because the truth didn't matter. Propaganda, lies, and foreign interference lost the election.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I'm pretty sure one major reason Trump won is that he wasn't in prison. Which is fucking weird since he tried to overthrow the country!

And Democrats lost because no one wanted to vote for them.

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[–] theacharnian 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

It seems this one did matter:

Asked whether there is anything she would have done differently than Biden over the past four years, Harris demurred.

“There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of — and I’ve been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact,” she said, going on to talk about the administration’s work capping the cost of insulin at $35 for Medicare recipients.

She appeared to backtrack on that answer later in the show.

“You asked me what is the difference between Joe Biden and me — that will be one of the differences. I’m going to have a Republican in my Cabinet,”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/harris-biden-the-view-00182883

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

And they still can’t figure out why they lost its incredible!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

Nothing the Democrats did mattered

So what we saw was what Democrats did when nothing mattered? When there were no boundaries? They supported genocide. They adopted Republican border policy. They ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. They cozied up to Dick Cheney. They showed us what they really are.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

DNC is stuffed by imbeciles who sold out. They are not here to win elections, they are here to make sure that democrats never shill anything pro pedon class.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

*ignores voters*

*loses election*

"heh, stupid voters"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

I mean you guys elected that asshole..

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Privatized gains, socialized losses except instead of losing money, your daughters die of a miscarriage in the waiting rooms of hospitals

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

For a second I thought I saw my name and was confused what this had to do with me :-D

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I'm glad we have a sexual assaulter to tell us how it is.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

BlueMAGA is literally Russian propaganda. Anyone who uses the term unironically is a troll.

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