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Under the UK's Online Safety Act, all websites hosting pornography, including social media platforms, must implement "robust" age verification methods, such as photo ID or credit card checks, for UK users by July.

Regulator Ofcom claims this is to prevent children from accessing explicit content, as research shows many are exposed as young as nine.

Critics, including privacy groups and porn sites, warn the measures could drive users to less-regulated parts of the internet, raising safety and privacy concerns.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

My problem with all this nonsense is that it doesn't actually solve the problem, while causing many more. You'd need to fundamentally rethink the basic design of the technology if you were to actually prevent children from accessing sexual material with it. That's something they don't want to do, however, presumably because they're addicted to the power it offers them to spy on everyone, and exploit the population for profit.

We're in this mess right now because the one absolute truth preempting every other decision made by those who wield power is that the solution must first increase their power. Literally everything else is an afterthought.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

I agree, the country is delving deeper into authoritarianism by each second. The children and minors is just another exploitable class to them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

Well you see... Despite what people say, the reasons behind these rules has very little to do with children. So they don't actually care if it solves the "problem".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

My problem with all this nonsense is that it doesn’t actually solve the problem, while causing many more. You’d need to fundamentally rethink the basic design of the technology if you were to actually prevent children from accessing sexual material with it.

Absolutely - this always happens with these "save the children" laws.

That’s something they don’t want to do, however, presumably because they’re addicted to the power it offers them to spy on everyone, and exploit the population for profit.

Jesus Christ... You ever hear the phrase "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance?" Politicians do this sort of "make the people feel like we're doing something" shit all the time. They rarely consider the ramifications beside appeasing parents.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You ever hear the phrase “never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance?”

Generalities like that can be useful when applied appropriately, but counter-productive when applied blindly. That positions of power are held primarily by those who are motivated primarily by power ought to be the most straight forward assertion possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. I feel we've been giving politicians passes on "ignorance" for far too long. First, ignorance is not a defense in any other situation. Second, these people are supposed to uphold our laws and virtues, so they should be held to a higher standard. Third, if you can find a pattern in their "ignorance" which somehow always seems to benefit them personally - they're not ignorant, but malignant.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why we need decentralized, open source porn websites.

So, head on over to LemmyNSFW.com and upload a pic of your junk.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

I'm shy, I'll just dm you instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Visit pornhub in any state or country where its banned or censored via the Tor Network, Onion URL at http://pornhubthbh7ap3u.onion/.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago

We're really globally going to return to the pre-WWII status quo, aren't we?

The past 50+ years were an anomaly in humanity's development, but we all collectively fell for the idea that it was, and would remain, the norm.

How wrong we were.

[–] theacharnian 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How long do they calculate until personal porn information is leaked?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Id give a rough estimate of > 3 years until some DB gets rocked due to infostealers or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Honestly I never understood this. I grew up with the internet so I've always had access to porn from a young age (If anything it was even easier back than). And pretty much everyone that's 35 years or younger did as well and I'd say generally we all turned out fine. At least not any worse off than any other generation. And honestly the only negative side effect it had on me was having unrealistic expectations the first time I actually had sex.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

It makes a lot more sense when you look at it in context, particularly in regards to trans and all LGBTQ+ people. These transphobic governments consider simply existing as trans to be pornographic, so they are trying to block access to educational information on us, while also compiling a list of anyone who does. It's the exact same shit America is trying to do with KOSA

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

And honestly the only negative side effect it had on me was having unrealistic expectations the first time I actually had sex.

And that is what we should be worrying about.

I told my kid that she can watch all the porn she wants, I don't care. Just don't expect actual sex to be like that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, and actually I would say with confidence we are actually better off. It's true that unrealistic expectations is a big issue (well, might be more like, I think most realize that porn is not real after experiencing it so it's not a big problem really for most), but at least we do have a good understanding of the possibilities and what is safe and what is not... At the very least we have a more openminded and informed point of view on sex and relationships. Which doesn't mean either "let's show porn to the kids" of course, but it's such an overblown topic in society.

Let parents be the responsible ones of what kids watch, not the webpages...

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Remember when the Snowden revelations came out?

Not only it showed that the UK was even more intrusive in their surveillance of their own citiziens than the US, but after those revelations, whilst the US walked back on some of the surveillance, the Government of the UK simply retroactivelly legalized all of it, the editor at The Guardian who published the Snowden revelations got kicked out and the entire British Press went quiet about it since then.

The chances of this being genuinelly about protecting children rather than about facilitating the identification of British internet users by the GCHQ, are pretty much zero.

Personally I lived in the UK back when the Snowden revelations came out, so switched to being behind an always on VPN and since then never lost that habit. (And yeah, it's of course not a foolproof mechanism, but it sure makes it way harder to be caught in the broad trawling done by the surveillance apparatus, plus it's also pretty useful for "sailing the high seas")

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay chief. How bout you verify the ID'S of UK politicians who visit Asia for kids?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

Yay, more invasion of privacy and censorship

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its estimated that this will stop underage people accessing porn for at least 30 seconds while they download tor browser

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Right? You can't stop the porn and these barriers is only to create an artificial market.

But whatever. The more people become anonymous on the internet, the better.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

I expect this to go just as well as for the US states that implemented similar laws. So basically anyone in the UK is blocked access and will just have to use a VPN for porn. Any kind of recording of IDs is obviously a huge security risk for everyone involved, and it doesn't really make sense for porn sites to open themselves for that.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I thought this was a USAmerican headline, but it's the UK 🤣 There will be another spike in VPN purchases, won't there? (Probably Proton VPN if people haven't read about their pro-MAGA stance).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Germany had these kinds of laws since before the internet, that is, "are you 18?" questions simply weren't judged adequate to fulfil the pre-existing requirements.

Net result is that there's no German porn sites, and the big search engines filter their results. Which doesn't mean that you can't get porn everywhere, it just means that kids are learning a particular subset of the English lexicon quite early once they seek it out which is perfectly fine under German law as with anything youth protection it's not supposed to stop determined kids, once they're determined they're individually old enough, it's supposed to limit casual exposure.

The distinction Germany makes is "targeted at a German market/audience". So if your domain isn't on .de, if your payment options aren't Germany-specific, ideally if you don't even have a German UI translation, none of that stuff applies to you. Authorities will just ignore you.

Unless the UK is going down the Saudi route of blocking foreign sites, the exact same thing will happen. There's always going to be some jurisdiction with lax youth protection laws where porn sites can set up their legal headquarters.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The UK trots out legislation like this every few years.
So far, it's not gone through.
However, to paraphrase a parasomething, "You have to defeat the proposal every time, we just have to make it law once"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

UK may be taking a slightly different path, but we'll both end up in the same shithole at the end. Incredible.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

uses vpn, lies about age and manages to access porn site, despite claims otherwise

Mission failed successfully

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thinking about this recently. Kids tend to find ways to abuse the technology for "naughty" purposes whatever the era. I remember the first kid I knew with residential internet back in the early 90s, the very first thing he wanted to show off about it was that you could get on some ancient bulletin board system and if you waited like 7 minutes you could eventually see a whole picture of a topless woman.

Trying to age gate all internet smut sounds like a losing battle. I think an unintended consequence might be young people hassling their peers for nudes at a higher rate. Either that or they will find alternative modes of distribution that adults didn't even think about.

Maybe instead of trying to deanonymize internet usage for literally everybody, there is an actual social solution such as, oh, I dunno, parenting?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you're not wrong, but as the parent of a 7 year old, i find it impossible to keep them from things i didn't want them to absorb, because even one child at school can undo all the safeguards I've implemented at home. putting it all down to "parenting" is not the solution either.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is it with western countries thinking they can bureaucracy their way through any issue.

This won't stop anything. Won't even slow it down. Just teach people how to navigate the net better.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Does this mean Brits need to through their bank to get a wank?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Every site is going to turn into a porn site, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Luckily kids don't know about VPN's otherwise this entire sharade would be completely usele....

Edit: I think this isn't enough though. Politicians should be forced to have a public porn history so you can vote by their porn preference. I wouldn't trust a politician who isn't into some weird kink stuff. Vanilla people are boring and shouldn't run a country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember to apply this to 4chan, UK.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I kinda of wonder if this is a way to try putting the sites out of business. In the US they just don't bother working in the various states with laws like this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the case of Texas and places like that, age verification laws are about being able to call anything they want (like LGBT+ content) “pornographic.” Texas doesn’t care if it works.

Interestingly, Pornhub actually stayed in my state, Louisiana, because — according to their Supreme Court lawyers, yesterday — we have digital IDs and it was apparently trivial to do the checks via some sort of API. Texans would have to upload a photo of their driver’s license or something and there’s major privacy issues.

Also, Louisiana’s law didn’t work. Pornhub, which wants to be mainstream, does ID checks but sketchier sites in other countries don’t. It probably just caused more teens to get malware or be exposed to truly objectionable content (like CSAM).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Looks like I picked the right time to get a girlfriend

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