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[–] ninthant 229 points 5 days ago (56 children)

You’re goddamn right I’m furious.

And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.

Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.

And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are heading out to states to lead town halls after this most recent budget passing.

This is what Democrats should be doing: preparing for 2028 by reaching out to people now, or at the very least educating them on what's happening and what might happen in the other 46 months (or more...) of Trump's second presidency.

[–] ninthant 12 points 4 days ago

I expect the authoritarian posturing and nationalism will be successful inside America as the world unites against them. And that any further hopes they have of opposition will be strangled by increasing anti-democratic measures as time goes on. That’s the playbook that has been successful elsewhere and I see no basis for believing in American exceptionalism here.

Will be extremely happy to be wrong on this, but I can’t see a world where waiting until 2028 works out for Democrats.

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[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

the US-Canadian border has been one of, if not the, most peaceful borders in the entire world.

the most peaceful and mutually beneficial border on Earth.

Tell me your views are extremely America-centric without telling me.

The only way you can have those views is if you know nothing about the EU at all.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The US and Canada haven't fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?

The UK and Scotland shouldn't count because Scotland isn't a sovereign country, they are a state of the UK that has lied about retaining their sovereignty for 500 years (which is why they have to beg England for permission to even hold an independece referendum)

Spain and France shouldn't count because Spain worked with the Nazis in ww2 and wouldn't help France.

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Switzerland? Apart from a bit of aerial bombing during WWII it's been a pretty peaceful border since that time Napoleon invaded.

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[–] villasv 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The US and Canada haven’t fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?

What’s the definition of “being a close ally”? You’re using the date of Canada and USA last conflict, but for Spain and France you’re using political alignment.

I think Portugal and Spain also make a good candidate if we’re looking back only until the early 1800’s. The border itself had a few changes but they were peaceful IIRC, the last conflict was 1801?

On a separate note, the quote says has been the most peaceful and beneficial, so it’s not so much as a matter of peaceful for the longest time. Even if EU borders weren’t peaceful way back, quite a few of them are so peaceful nowadays that they barely register as existing. In terms of most beneficial, I’m not sure how to analyze that.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Quite a surprising one here: I think the Norwegian/russian border can actually match that. I believe Norway is the only country neighbouring russia that has never been invaded by them (sans WWII, where they invaded Nazi-occupied Norway and willingly left after the Axis was defeated).

I also think the Norwegian/Danish border has been conflict-free for some hundred years (to be fair, we were in a union for ≈450 years ending in 1814). We've had some skirmishes with the Swedes throughout the years, but I believe the last one was in 1814.

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[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 20 points 4 days ago

"In the last 100 years"... European borders were not peaceful for that long

[–] faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

To be fair, historically speaking, Europe's borders have been all but peaceful.

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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe 90 points 4 days ago (19 children)

The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.

In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn't want it. That's about 1 in 7.

https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex

The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That's almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/large-majority-of-canadians-reject-trumps-annexation-overtures-poll-suggests/

[–] Knoxvomica 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I've started telling people with those views in real life to becareful, they may get treated the same way collaborators were treated in the Nazi occupied areas of Europe post war. I find it changes their demeanor pretty quickly without actually being a threat.

(I also want it to feel like a threat because it is.)

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It's not a threat, it's the reality of how these things go. With most of our WW2 veterans dead, most people have neither connection to, nor appreciation of, what happens during a military occupation. They think it's a fucking joke. It most certainly isn't. The moment hostilities become inevitable, all of the people who thought it was funny to "own the libs" by publicly supporting annexation will find they are easy, identifiable targets for righteous anger, and they should best get out before they're put out. Note that the government will not have time for controlled and legally respectful deportation, and it will be aggrieved patriots who decide their fate. Crowds of angry, scared people are not gentle, and they tend to be creative in the most horrible ways.

After hostilities end, no matter how they end, these people will still not feel any comfort. If they end up on the wrong side of history, as they usually do as traitors in an occupation, their fate is grim indeed.

The bottom line is they really should reexamine their loyalties carefully and if they choose to retain treasonous loyalties they should strongly consider leaving Canada. Not sure why they would want to stay anyway, when they clearly do not offer nor deserve the respect of their fellow Canadians.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

It's not a threat, it's the reality of how these things go.

Be careful, the government might disagree. If you called a politician or CEO and told them to be careful or the public may give them the Luigi treatment or 1789 French treatment then you would most likely be arrested for threatening violence.

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Probably more Americans support being annexed by Canada than annexing Canada.

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[–] phx 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I've heard from the dumbass gallery has been:

"Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD" and "It'll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland" or "Then we can vote in a proper government they're and fix things"

I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This may be so but as we've seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.

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[–] Superorbit 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Vancouver Sun is owned by postmedia... so take whatever they,say with a grain of salt.

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[–] swordgeek 117 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This headline is subtly dismissive.

"Angry" and "right now" both suggest a transient state. That's not what we're seeing.

"Canada has finally had enough of the USA" would be a more apt title; or "Canada reaches its breaking point."

Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.

Never. Go. Back.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I hope you're right, but the public's memory is short.

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[–] muh_shroom 48 points 4 days ago (21 children)

Lmao, I’ve got a bullet for every magat fuck that crosses the border. Last thing they’ll hear is a tree speaking French

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

it would be great to remind americans how many sniping records get broken by canadians. start making that gear domestically, if you don't already. maybe start taking out tires on trucks with american plates. just so they know how unwelcome they are, and if they want to take something across the border, it had better be a canadian getting paid to do it.

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[–] AJ1 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm putting a new scope on my crossbow as we speak. Reusable ammo is an underrated perk.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I just was involved in a yelling match this morning about Polievre.

Just some background: I'm a farmer in N. Alberta. We farmers love coffee and visiting. There's half a dozen of us around the shop talking about this, and I safely would say everyone was against Trump, even weirdos that defended him during the election. Even then, though, I'd say the Trumpists here were about 1:10. Now it's zero.

But one person tried to stand up for Polievre this morning, saying he wasn't going to back down to Trump. Everyone else, and these are all what you would call older men, between 50 and 70, had a crack at this guy. The prevailing attitude is that Polievre isn't telling the truth, doesn't have our backs, and nobody is willing to take the chance that he's not lying.

That's in backwoods, buttfuck Alberta. I don't know if this holds true across the prairies, but this is an area where the word Liberal is an epithet. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the CPC get decimated at this point, even in rural ridings.

I'm worried Trump will back down when an election is called, and it will take the edge off, and Polievre will get in. I don't trust the fucker, but most rural voters just need the barest hint of a reason to not vote for the Liberals. In the end, nothing that happens west of Ontario matters, but I imagine if it's like this here, it's way more obvious in the East.

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[–] Yoga 61 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 75 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The anger I'm seeing isn't just at Trump, it's at Americans in general.

They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won't ever happen again?

[–] fishtaco 46 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Not to mention the 1/3 of eligible voters who couldn't fucking be bothered to vote at all. Fuck them too.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 44 points 5 days ago (4 children)

What I can say for sure is the odds that there will be some kind of political or economic rupture between the US and Canada that lasts decades into the future have gone up substantially just over the course of the past few months.

Yup. Trump's legacy will not be a glowing one at all.

[–] imvii 37 points 5 days ago

I doubt that. He fucked up the first time around, broke shit, wrecked things, stole classified documents, convicted of 34 felons, stole PPE from blue states to kill them during covid and millions needlessly died during covid. What happened? Nothing. People don't really remember any of that. He was never punished for any of his actions or crimes.

Trump is the prime example of American hubris and apathy.

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[–] CircaV 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Damn right we are fucking mad.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (5 children)

"Great state of Canada"...

To be fair, I heard a news anchorwoman in British Columbia refer to the US as "the lower provinces" lol. I had never heard this before, but since it was used casually on a newscast I assumed it was a fairly common expression. Maybe Bonespurs heard about that and got a burr in his diaper.

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