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Cops don’t protect women. Food, housing, and money do. (briarpatchmagazine.com)

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[–] Punchshark 27 points 3 days ago

Pigs are completely useless at this point. Security guards for the rich

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would be nice if someone could fly a plane with that as a banner, or maybe wrap a car with it? Or maybe a billboard?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd wrap my car with it, but I don't think I could handle the amount of getting pulled over I'd have to put up with

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

that is a good point that I should have thought of sooner, lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

But those things don't protect the rich, cops and first past the post voting systems protect them tho.

Murder and crime is just the price we all have to pay so some investors can jerk off over a line going up and down

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty sure cops know who not to fuck with in their area. All of them rich and connected.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Does anyone protect men? Haha, I know they don't. Bootstraps and things ..

[–] HonoredMule -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe men should start supporting each other. You know, as long as admitting to having feelings isn't too gay or whatever.

[–] Dearche 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That would be convincing if they didn't tear down every men's support systems. A few years back, they tore down the nation's only men's rape clinic, despite the fact that there was strong evidence that a quarter of all rape victims were actually men. Today, there are zero resources for male rape victims because just mentioning it often invites violence.

[–] DrivebyHaiku 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

.... Are you talking like a men's specific clinic?Here in BC there's all gender options which include men through the Fraser Health Forensic Nursing program which is available through emergency rooms. Or the SVPRO Program at UBC (https://svpro.ubc.ca/) or the AMS Sexual Assault Support Center.

A lot of the services on the West Coast are available to all genders and a lot of effort is being made to make services unilaterally available but you won't find a lot of services strictly for men. There's a push to make care more diverse which accounts for different cultural groups including men.

It's definitely true that some options are confusing. The BC Women's Hospital doesn't have boundaries for whom they treat for sexual assault and rape related care. You could go there, but they don't do the greatest job of creating an environment automatically comfortable for men. There's also a lot of outside care groups that specialize on specific populations with special needs such as trans, indigenous and non-neurotypical people and people with disabilities that don't specifically list men (though provide services for men who are part of the group) because they are focused on folks who have very particular hurdles to accessing care so they aren't put in a position to educate their caregivers on their basic needs while in distress. Those groups are usually funded and created by advocates specifically from those communities.

[–] Dearche 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Turns out that it was a shelter for domestic violence, not sexual assault.

[–] DrivebyHaiku 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

That is a space that is more generally lacking. A lot of spaces prioritize women in part because there's a real issue with abusive men hunting down and killing their partners when they try to leave so women require a spy-like bugout infrastructure to safely leave. Historically this trend motivated womens groups and queer centric undergrounds to go above and beyond and was reinforced later by government grant because establishing support while victims are still alive is cheaper than the apparatus of investigation for their murder. It's a balance sheet game.

This hunting behaviour is something highly statistically unlikely for women to do which tends to mean support for straight men could look a lot different and be effective but also the monetary government incentive to provide it is not as lucrative for governments who are always triaging spending in sectors that don't somehow save them money.

It's absolutely correct that these resources should exist but it is going to take a much greater grassroots effort to maintain and structurally speaking expecting it to look exactly like the model in place for women is probably in part the enemy of progress because those models are prohibitively expensive.

[–] Dearche 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing against the idea that shelters should be gender specific, or that most shelters should cater to women. Statistically, 80% of all DV reports are made by women, though studies suggest that only 50% of DV cases the woman is the victim.

But even ignoring that, it's major problem that there are zero shelters for men in the entire country. 20% of all reported cases have no system in place to protect the victim of DV. That's insane. It's like a city having a boil water advisory, but bottled water not being available because all the shipments were diverted to another larger city.

[–] DrivebyHaiku 1 points 20 hours ago

I am not arguing for Gender specifc shelters what I am saying is that it's not a matter of how many reports of DV, the motivating factor in funding is how often each statistical group end in a homicide. It's a stumbling block which means that the priority often overshadows services for men that do exist when doing a casual search even online.

The main needs of men escaping DV are mental health support and police assisted extraction, temporary housing and childcare assistance. The first two are decently prioritized depending on Province. Here in BC there's decent resources directly through Coastal Health and less great coverage the Fraser Health Authority but childcare assistance is across the board spotty and really 99. 9% of the time the elements of making someone physically untraceable are not nessisary if the offender is a woman which means that if we were to look into hotel voucher programs and relocation services instead of permanent brick and mortar shelters for those cases you could likely provide options that fill the requirements for communities in smaller towns with a quarter of the funding of a shelter. Straight men generally do not have to skip town so they can often rely on their previously made support structures more so the time spent in temporary housing is often stays of less than a week.

What a lot of advocates in the space keep pushing for is a replication of the system because of the idea that it's not fair to give men a "lesser service" but the needs of the cohort are completely different and we should structure care to fit the needs based on an evidence based model instead of pointing to something else that is designed for a group with completly different needs.

[–] Kichae 1 points 3 days ago

"Who is "they"?

And who do you think started and operates most of the resource centres for women?

[–] lobut 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

When you say "they", did you mean that "men"? Like, men tore down the nation's only men's rape clinic?

(genuine question, reading it back I can sound like a dick)

[–] Dearche 2 points 1 day ago

Looks like I was a bit off. Looking it up again, it was a men's shelter for domestic violence. The only one in the entire country was shut down due to a lack of funds over a decade ago. I do remember reading that there was pressure from some feminist groups to shut it down and helped to pull funding, but I can't find articles that mention that, so either I'm remembering wrong, or the article was pulled.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/privately-run-shelter-for-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse-forced-to-close-its-doors-due-to-lack-of-funding

[–] Kichae 1 points 3 days ago

I think they imagine that the resources for women were spontaneously built by governments, and it's not fair that governments don't do that for men, too!

The idea that the support networks were started by women in their homes, with zero public support for decades until they managed to demand it by building grassroots support might be totally alien to their sea-lioning ass.