He'd became a martyr. The best chance way the ruling class could handle this is letting him go on the condition that he denies every publicity possible for a given years, even "just" imprisonment would communicate "we fear guys like this".
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This guy killed a patrician and now that class has totally seized controlled of government.
Supposedly
None of this, of course, is to say that what Mangione did was justifiable or wise.
Um, fuck you? He hasn't been convicted and the author's assumption here, that Mangione is guilty of what he has been accused of, is part of the fucking problem.
Damn, when did Jacobin get soft?
He’s a real true America hero and a patriot! Que Viva Luigi!
So what are the odds of jury nullification on this case?
I'm glad they're seeking the death penalty.
Because it makes it much easier for the defence team to argue that the prosecution is trying to turn the law into a spectacle, and that Luigi should be acquitted of all charges.
It doesn't much matter if it's easier for the defense to argue that. It matters what the judge and jury find.
The federal system gives the judge a lot more power, they can basically pick the jury and evidence themselves, and appeals really, really suck.
ok but killing a millionaire is defensible
Not because they're a millionaire. Because they're a CEO whose policies directly resulted in unnecessary suffering and death.
Billionaires do deserve to die for being billionaires though.
You can't amass that type of wealth without being responsible for human suffering en masse. It's impossible.
yeah I think this distinction is important. we don’t need to kill the working professionals who saved money and invested wisely throughout their careers. many of those people will eventually be millionaires, but like, ones of millions.
once you get to hundreds of millions it starts to look like there was no possible moral way to arrive at that.
We should also make a distinction for the arts and artisans. In theory, an artist can sell their work for a billion dollars, making them a billionaire. I'm fine with that, because nobody gets exploited in the process. Like if an actor or rock star charges a billion dollars for a performance, or a painter charges a billion dollars for a painting, or a carpenter charges a billion to install hardwood floors. If people are willing to pay it, then I don't really see a problem.
That said, their wealth should still be taxed like a motherfucker.
I think there's still a pretty solid argument that its shitty to remain a billionare. If I won that kind of money on the lottery I'd set asside enough to retire very comfortably (and still feel a little bad about it) and then build affordable housing and shit.
Agreed, its a bit like self defense or defending others.
If you are armed and see a murder about to happen you CAN legally intervene with a firearm. You do not have to standby and let someone get killed.
UHC was killing thousands and apparently the government was/is fine with it. Thus ... it was a defensive killing.
This discussion would get me banned off of Reddit (again).
He should run for office
Well, we have a convicted felon and rapist as president already.
Exactly. They've set a precedent that running for office gets you out of any consequences. I really want to see what happens if Mangione runs for congress
The bullets Mangione used to kill Thomson had “deny,” “delay,” and “depose” inscribed on them.
Allegedly. The reporter forgot to be professional for a moment.
"Forgot"
We live in a post-defensibility society.
I think the death penalty being on the table would increase the likelihood of the jury finding a reasonable doubt or jury nullification. It would only hurt the prosecution imo.
There's no way this jury is going to be allowed to find him innocent much less jury nullification. If they can't be bribed they'll be threatened.
OR it's going to prejudice the jury against him, like it usually does.
When capital punishment is on the table, only people who are in favor of it are selected for the jury, and people who are in favor of state murder are MUCH more likely to return a guilty verdict than people who aren't.
That's one of hundreds of reasons why civilized legal systems don't murder prisoners anymore.
Yup. One of the main reasons people oppose the death penalty is because of the proven record of innocent people receiving death sentences. Approximately 4% of people who receive death sentences are actually innocent. We execute many innocent people in this country. The system absolutely does not operate on the principle of "it is better for 1000 guilty to go free than for one innocent to be unjustly punished."
Many oppose the death penalty because they realize just how poor our justice system is at actually determining guilt and innocence. Those who assume it is near-infallible will be much more likely to support the death penalty. So if you screen out those opposed to death sentences, you also screen out people who are more skeptical of the criminal justice system overall.
Oh, shit! I'd really appreciate a source for that, if you have it handy
Didn't have it handy, but didn't take long to find this from Penn State, this from Cornell, and this from the US Office of Justice Programs that the DOGE kakistocracy has apparently not found yet..
Thank you!
You're very welcome 🙂
Why the fuck does the prosecution have the ability to put punishments on the table that are known to bias jury selection?
Why is the jury selection not random
Because the system itself is rigged in favor of the prosecution by design.
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