The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
♦ ♦ ♦
Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
♦ ♦ ♦
RULES
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.
♦ ♦ ♦
ALLIES
• r/ACAB
♦ ♦ ♦
INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
♦ ♦ ♦
ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.
Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or "accident") in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.
So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.
They have no legal protections while breaking the law.
Problem is... It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That's seems like lose lose situation.
I mean, if you're going to die anyway, might as well take some assholes with you.
And dying in a concentration camp in El Salvador is a lose win situation
Well, constitutionally, they can't for whatever that's worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
I'm personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it's our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people's doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts -- especially in blue areas -- are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
Edit to add: You're also not protecting your "property" in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you're going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight -- especially in your own home.
Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.
Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.
Sounds like a second amendment solution.
violent problems require violent solutions.
This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, and they are counting on the Supreme Court to back then, which they won't. Then they'll just ignore the Supreme Court, and do it anyway.
Which is why everyone needs to be arming themselves and open-carrying at protests moving forward.
Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.
If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???
In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.
Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.
uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections
...That's not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.
Journalists don't need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don't print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they're lies and falsehoods. They didn't find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they're making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren't going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it's a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn't do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn't changed that.
Any law, rule or regulation that violates the constitution is invalid. The Supreme Court has ruled on this in multiple cases. Unless Congress passes a constitutional amendment that eliminates the 4th amendment, the executive branch must abide by the law as it's written. The executive branch has no authority to make, change or interpret law.
Edit: A lot of laws and constitutional amendments have been made since the 1798 Alien Enemies Act was passed. The 13th Amendment banned slavery (with a loophole) The 14th Amendment gave equal protection under the law among other things. The 1964 Civil Rights Act made it a crime to discriminate based on race and national origin, which pretty much destroys the Alien Enemies Act. No altering the enforcement of our laws based on where the person came from or what they look like.
Correct. At this point a few ICE agents need to be treated as armed intruders and dealt with.
We don't do this in an armed society ... it's why we are armed.
Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
Silently supporting this... After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny... Well it's freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
Having read the title and also the whole article.... Let me say. The fuck no you can't. Let's get letigious or let's get the vests. I've got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn't matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let's fuckin go. I've been waiting and i've finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.
Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.
A "memo". A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.
Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.
I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.
I said we would have late night, door to door searches by year's end,
They're running early
Like fuck they can.
I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.
Bang bang bang.
Someone is going to get killed.
I hope a lot of them (ICE agents) do. I wonder where all these gun toting larpers who take guns to walmart to "protect the innocent" are?
It'shard to keep up with all the shit, but didn't the supreme court rule they couldn't use this act? Does a "DOJ memo" override a supreme court ruling?
The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.
The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.
And yet people keep telling me Democrats are just as bad.
Those GOSH DARN Democrats keep trying to feed and house immigrants with MY TAX DOLLARS.
Instead of putting them in cages and throwing them in prison. (AGAIN WITH TAX DOLLARS.)
No, They can not, It is a violation of the constitution. Which dumb fuck also is in violation of.
Shoot warrantless masked unconstitutional kidnappers and ask questions later.
Sounds a little too familiar
Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?
When did they mention migrants at all? The way this is written up is that anyone can be acted upon, all it requires is a "reasonable belief" that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang. And lets face it, if they have their way no one will be checking anyone's documents before, during or after these raids.