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Without any hate speech or whatever. What is now WOKE that was once PC and vice versa?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Yes, they're the same thing.

As others have noted, the original definitions and origins were different. However, both terms came to be appropriated by right wing politics to mean (generously) "too liberal" or (more realistically) "associated with non-white people and/or women".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

When right wingers use terms like PC, woke, DEI, CRT, and so on, it's a dog whistle (really a fog horn) that means "anyone who isn't a white cishet Christian man"

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)

PC is what people call basic politeness when they don't wanna do it.

Respecting basic human dignity for outgroups is a core part of being woke, for sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly... It's usually boomers/gen x'ers these days, but whenever I hear someone complain about something being "PC," it's an immediate red flag. 99.9% of the time it means the person is just an asshole and can't recognize it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No.

PC was not using offensive language that's degrading to traditionally disadvantaged groups

Woke a African American word used back in the 30's to describe the understanding of the racial bias inherent in the systems of America.

Both are completely misused and misunderstood by Republicans and to use anti-x to mean "I want to remain a complete asshole".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

You're right, but in the way Republicans/the right uses them, they are identical.

Every few years they change up the terminology. After PC it became SJW. Then it became CRT. Then woke. Now it's transitioning to DEI. In a few years they'll change to a new term.

But, to them it all means the same thing "anything supporting non-white people, lgbtq people, and/or women."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

What's nice of them is that they provide these easy to understand labels for themselves. "White male, mid 40s, used the word woke => avoid avoid avoid"

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They're related but not the same. Political correctness is about taking steps not to offend anyone. Wokeism is more about acknowledging societal issues and lack of inclusivity.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago

While you are correct, the only people using "woke" anymore are using it as an insult, meaning "not a bigot like me."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

As meat bridge said, the stupid nationalist conservatives stole our word again

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think that "woke" (as it used now by right wing mouth breathers) is a combination of "PC" and "satanic". Because from what I remember in my childhood, "satanic" was the word of choice for right wingers to use when they didn't like something. "PC" was used in an insulting way by certain people but it was far more popular at the time to just accuse anything they didn't like of being devil worship.

"Woke" is the exact same shit as that. Just repackaged so that edgelord teenagers also think it's cool to call everything "woke". And instead of the devil, it's the LGBTQ+ community, which is probably the same thing to them anyway. But it's all spear headed by the same fucking people or types of people, along with their legion of useful idiots this time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Basically it is the trendy word to say, "This thing does not align to my narrow world view and is therefore bad and wrong."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, and it was "bleeding heart" before that.

The reason this insult has such staying power is because it's apt. Reactionaries are correct when they say liberals by in large don't really care about minorities or the disadvantaged, they just use them for political power.

The mistake is in thinking that liberals represent the left.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah - it’s always been just a weird way to try to tie a negative connotation to “cares about other human beings and doesn’t want to hurt their feelings unnecessarily.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

You're confusing fiscally liberal with left wing liberal. They're completely different beasts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Political correctness is what racists think being woke is, which is why they're angry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's political correctness expanded to also care about how people talk about gender issues and such. That's all. And it's so hilarious to see people feel threatened by such an inoffensive idea as 'maybe respect people and how they want to be addressed or referred to.'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I thought one would call someone being "PC" , "Woke", as ment to be derogatory.

Like the left saying that they are PC. But the right calling it Woke to defame any of those actions....