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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 minutes ago

Great news for 'the rest of the world' but I'd prefer not to deal with this shit here for 4 years as well god dammit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

*Looks at my fellow Brits*

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You're welcome rest of the world. Now be nice to those of us who have to suffer another 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

As long as you voted against him, yes.

If someone said "oh they're both the same" or "Kamala didn't make her position clear enough on ______" or any of the other excuses, they need to bear the full brunt of their (in)decision.

I've zero sympathy for those fools.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

full brunt of their ~~(in)decision~~stupidity.

Fixed it. :3

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago

Hopefully, Trump and his pals cause other nations to say "The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization." Just because Heritage doesn't directly kill people, doesn't change the fact that they will dismantle the world's universal healthcare, food standards, and more just to make some rich person feel good.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Wish we could have done this before the fucker was elected.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Most people have to learn the hard way. They are dumb like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I always say I have to be hit over the head with a frying pan to learn my lesson, but jesus I could tell Trump was not good for America when he started running for his first term.

And now I’ll suffer for it because I’m part of the “parasite” class.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

And the Republican Party is obviously a lost cause when they held that CPAC conference in Budapest of all places

[–] skozzii 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just be happy you aren't an American, so it won't be as bad.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Ironically the crazy economic shitstorm that Trump made might just be the wakeup call the world needed. Hopefully he doesn't get to reach the whole mass murder stage of his plans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What might be scary is if America's Auschwitz moment is revealed to be completely independent of administration. We've already heard many stories about ICE during each presidency, just that many details were hidden or unconfirmed.

It was the same way at the end of WW2. Even many Germans were aghast at what they'd been doing at the camps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Isn't that a bit problematic to say, though, in essence, you're implying that Trump isn't responsible for everything that's going on, which is a ridiculous claim, because assuming that there is all of this going on, but it was hidden up until now and Trump is only revealing it is not just a conspiracy theory, but a very, very dangerous one.

Just to be clear, I am not praising other administrations. There has been a big problem in USA administrations for a long time. But I wouldn't dare compare any recent administration to Trump's latest and even his last administration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

I mean, you have to go where the evidence takes you, even if you don’t like the results. The best thing you could perhaps say about Biden or Obama, was simply that any of their direct participation in border patrol activities followed rule of law.

Generally, CBP/ICE has stayed above much direct scrutiny or supervision, and if an individual doesn’t have reporters, lawyers, or family asking after them (sometimes even then) a lot can be hidden even from administration.

It’s very likely Trump did not do much to “push” ICE’s behavior, he just enabled them, and they reward him by threatening his direct opponents.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak for all of us, but I don't think "the world" at large ever supported "Trumpism" and we largely have always thought him to be a gigantic tit and those who voted him into office TWICE to be idiotic or miseducated.

[–] floofloof 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If you replace "Trumpism" with "fascism", it has clearly been on the rise all around the world for a decade or so now, and it's taking over more and more countries all the time. However it's far from clear that we've reached any kind of turning point where fascism starts to become less popular worldwide, just because of some fairly limp election results in Canada and Australia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

And has the world said thank you, even once?

[–] [email protected] 106 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism. It's called Fascism, not, "Trumpism."

So fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, if a news outlet or politician refuse to call it what it is, I assume they actually approve.

So far it's most of them across the world.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I think a lot of them are afraid of being censored by the fascism for being alarmist. And then trying to hold onto a position of relative power via information is a tricky one, because you have to balance not only your tv station, but the backers, your audience, your managers, your coworkers, your position, your career, and also your life. These people are really REALLY risk adverse, for many different reasons. I'm not justifying it, but I'm imagining this is at least the intuition that some may be working through. Explanation is not justification.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So much for the 4th estate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

That's been gone for a lonnnnng time. Capitalism killed it.

[–] floofloof 258 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (25 children)

Celebrating prematurely. The UK is about to go fascist, Germany is teetering on the brink, and Canada only just dodged a bullet for now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes. This didn't happen in the UK because, instead of standing up to Trumpism, Starmer is tacking to the far-right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The UK is hardly about to go fascist. Labour recently won power and there won't be a national election for years. There were smaller council elections recently and Reform won a few seats, but so did the Greens and Lib Dems. Basically, there were some anti-establishment votes.

East Germany voted AfD, but the rest of the country defeated that.

Canada voted Liberal despite a strong anti-establishment sentiment. It's likely that eventually it will flip back conservative. But, there's a chance that before that happens, the chaos of Trumpism will make the conservatives in Canada try to become an adult, respectable party rather than Maple MAGA.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Like bacteria in a jar. They grow, then become toxic, then die off.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

I think US commentators make far too much of Trump and US political influence on the world. It exists but we all have our own cultures, political systems etc out here and we proudly do our own thing. The arrogance of people on all sides of US politics who think an election result on the other side of a world is a reflection of their own domestic politics is incredible.

It would be convenient if the rest of the world could fix a broken US democracy but it is a fantasy. US citizens need to address their problems through struggle and resistance. Their current problems runs very deep in their society and isn't simply an international fashion trend.

[–] floofloof 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Here in Canada the last-minute swing from Conservative to Liberal was definitely a response to Trump, particularly to his repeated threats to take over our country.

Worldwide it may be more that what causes the rise of fascism in the USA also causes it worldwide - and sometimes this is an actual network of wealthy right-wing organizations and nation states working to promote it through propaganda and funding.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

If you check the polls, nothing changed in Australia to justify the rapid drop of the right wing, except Trump.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

Lieberals were in front for a long time, and then trump started his bullshit and Labor came from behind and soared into victory.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean the world can fix a broken US democracy by boycotting the US entirely on all fronts until a democratic country emerges.

This will take a while though as we have seen with South Africa.

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[–] hperrin 50 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t see a way out of this other than a war against the fascists. Something like the American civil war where the racists got their asses thoroughly beaten, or WWII, where the Nazis got absolutely crushed. I feel like it’s just one of those things that pops up once in a while. Basically, fascists are the herpes of society.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

This American situation is partly the long tail of the failure of reconstruction; Confederates got their asses handed to them but they were never properly removed from power. Now the racists are once again in charge, their monuments still stand, their flag is still flown, and the southern strategy is central to their political power.

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

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