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Germany's domestic intelligence agency last week classified the largest opposition party, the AfD, as "confirmed right-wing extremist." This has intensified debates over whether or not to ban the party.

On Friday, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) was classified as "confirmed right-wing extremist" by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV).

Now, there has been a first fallout: two AfD politicians and parliamentarians are not allowed to accompany Hesse's Minister for European affairs, Manfred Pentz, on a trip to Serbia and Croatia. Pentz explained that he could not expect international partners "to sit down at the same table with representatives of a party that has been confirmed as right-wing extremist."

Further measures also threaten the radical right-wing party: several federal states want to examine whether being a civil servant, including judges, police officers, teachers, or soldiers, is still compatible with being a member of the AfD.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Banning the AfD is just not enough - right-wing extremism doesn't disappear if you ban the party. We need policies that improve the populations state of living to avoid them falling for another populist party.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a start though. As long as they can't legally get elected, they can't change the system from the inside. The NSDAP was a legally elected party.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but it's a bandaid, not a long-term solution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nevertheless, you'd still use one of you cut yourself, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

If I repeatedly cut myself, it's time to do something about the cutting instead of just bandaging it up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

We need policies that improve the populations state of living to avoid them falling for another populist party.

👏

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Blue is the new brown.

And the afd gaining power just a symptom of the younger generation getting targeted by the camouflaged propaganda media.

Yea, we all are from all sides always, though the younger gens are far more susceptible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It’s not even the media. There are groups targeting kids in online games. There’s a cult called 754 I think that’s the correct number. And they’re radicalizing kids.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 5 days ago (6 children)

That's what we needed to do with MAGA.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump should serve as a warning. Get the fascists before they get you. These far-right parties will all be looking to emulate Trump's actions if they get a sniff of power.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but they already got us

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That’s what we needed to do with the Republican Party. They’re one and the same at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Fuck no!

They're self-identifying.

We needed to execute Trump for treason, then everyone with a Maga had should have been tracked for life as potential security threats.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (10 children)

It's likely to blow-back domestically. Like other countries around the world, Germany's far right nationalist party has strong domestic support right now. This may silence some politicians, bit t doesn't address the underlying issues, nor the reasons that ppl are wandering towards fascism.

My opinion is that general failures of liberal parties to actually make life better, and reduce corruption. People have lost faith.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Never in my life hage I known people (in Germany, but probably everywhere) to he happy with politics. I would also argue that for the vast majority (again, here in Germany) life has improved over the past decades.

IMO the reason for right wing surges aren't actual real-world problems or failings of ruling parties (though flawed they are), but the new forms of propaganda and outreach that right wing parties have mastered, and left wing parties have failed at.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

I would say it more like "forms of propaganda (lies) that extreme right wing parties are willing to stoop to that left wing parties are not".

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They have strong domestic support because they have been poisoning the public debate with always jumping on migration and inventing stories as well as blowing things out of proportion and the media and other parties playing along. The more politics shifted to the right because of the AfD, the stronger the AfD became.

Their ideas and the way they conduct themselves was normalized, so people approve of it, because they think it is normal and legitimate. If you make it clear that it is neither, it will defuse the far right. Also by banning them, their organizations are dismantled, their politicians thrown out of power and their assets seized.

If you want to stop a fire you need to stop fueling it with self-igniting fuel. Only then can you extinguish the fire.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 4 days ago

Ban the shit out of these fascists mfers.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (12 children)

2025: AfD is banned

2026: New party is forned, Germans for an Alternative, or Deutsch für eine Alternative (DfA)

🙃

(You know what this means: The only good nazi is a dead one)

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Any follow up organization is also banned. So if a new organization forms it will be much easier to see if they are a follow up organization and dissolve it right away.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

It still sucks up a lot of their money and disables funding through taxes for a time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

If they are banned they cant form a party or join another party again, this is by law

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

That's what fascism is about. Do not tolerate them, do not reason with them. Ban them and (if necessary) kill them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Good and all the AfD asswipes can join the Russian infantry. Take the Die Linke with you too.

[–] rxbudian 1 points 2 days ago

Maybe Germany should also focus more on creating a lot of good jobs too. There will be less people attracted to alternative parties peddling them crazy solutions to their problems

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