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Paper in Nature Climate Change journal reveals major role wealthy emitters play in driving climate extremes

The world’s wealthiest 10% are responsible for two-thirds of global heating since 1990, driving droughts and heatwaves in the poorest parts of the world, according to a study.

While researchers have previously shown that higher income groups emit disproportionately large amounts of greenhouse gases, the latest survey is the first to try to pin down how that inequality translates into responsibility for climate breakdown. It offers a powerful argument for climate finance and wealth taxes by attempting to give an evidential basis for how many people in the developed world – including more than 50% of full-time employees in the UK – bear a heightened responsibility for the climate disasters affecting people who can least afford it.

“Our study shows that extreme climate impacts are not just the result of abstract global emissions; instead we can directly link them to our lifestyle and investment choices, which in turn are linked to wealth,” said Sarah Schöngart, a climate modelling analyst and the study’s lead author.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

The threshold to be in the top 10% is €42,980 or $49,000 (grossing from what I can tell).

The top 1% and 0.1% for comparison are 20x and 76x.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, what people forget is that even average americans (and central/northern europeans and some other plaves) are quite wealthy from a global perspective. Many people on lemmy, self included, are in that global 10%.

And many of those emissions aren't something you can just avoid either, they often come as a result of being a user of local infrastructure etc.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And half the time they get mad when you point it out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In fairness, what are they going to do about being born into a richer slice of the world pie? As shitty as it is, people won't have much sympathy for those doing worse than them unless they've achieved a certain baseline. If they can't conceive of how life could be worse (many issues in this fragment), they won't accept or care that others are suffering.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

At the very least, us 10%ers could be advocating for things that lower the carbon cost of our lifestyle, such as zoning reform.

Note that I'm not talking about reducing the quality of our lifestyle. I'm talking about maintaining or improving the quality while making it more efficient.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

It's true. And we should all be doing that. If you're in the US, I promise you there are people in your community/local government who are desperate for any sort of support. Build bike lanes, build community gardens, help your neighbors. A lot of them need it.

My previous statement was purely in reply to people getting mad when you point out that they're in a certain percentile. Realistically, what do you expect people to do with that information? What you're basically telling them is that in Sudan, they'd be the kings of the castle. But that's kind of useless information to someone living in middle of nowhere Kentucky, for example.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

If my taxes would go towards make that infrastructure sustainable, i would happily pay more taxes. As it stands my taxes mostly go to more Autobahn, upkeep of parking spots, subsidies for desastrous industries and cross-financing the retirement insurance, so the boomers can go on cruise vacations.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is there a source for this?

This was my assumption, but when I searched earlier, I could only find sources citing the top 12% was above $100k

Wiki - Distribution of Wealth

I'm assuming I've misunderstood something.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

The article talks about income (the headline seems a bit confusing), the wiki about net worth?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

According to Wikipedia, citing the 2022 US census, median annual personal income is $48k, meaning the average american is right on that line.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

10k€ here, reporting for wealth !

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, likely everyone in the developed world, not just billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No most people in the developed nations earn less than this. It's heavily biased towards Americans and high earners, the typical just above the minimum wage earner isn't in this group.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If you're reading this, you're in that 10%.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I want to know what part of the two-thirds, the 1% holds.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Undeniably a majority. We can't ignore the fact that we have impact on climate too. Big interest want us to argue over blame rather than try to fix the problem (Them). That said, I don't commute by aircraft daily like Taylor Swift and every other rich person.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t commute by aircraft daily like Taylor Swift and every other rich person.

That shit shouldn't be legal. In short private jets shouldn't be legal IMO.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but if they didn't they might actually have to interact with the poors, and they can't have that.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hmm, I am probably not, 10% is what, 700 million?

Between all the rich people, USA, Canadians, UK, Germany, and the rest pf Western Europe that number likely includes enough people to exclude me as a central European

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The last number I was given was that anyone who makes more than a converted $20,000 per year is in the global top 10%. There used to be a global income comparison tool that showed where you stand on the global scale. I feel 90% confident that any individual person reading this is someone who is above that line, especially if they can afford things like internet and electric together. Those kinds of guys are driving cars to work and eating out, instead of making their food every single day and listening to radio because they can't afford any luxuries.

I agree that it ain't exactly smart to say everyone in a developed economy is doing well, but I want to remind anyone reading this to count their blessings and consider their own impact just as much as they try to hold the worst offenders accountable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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According to https://wid.world/world/#tptinc_p90p100_z/US;FR;DE;CN;ZA;GB;WO/last/us/k/x/yearly/t/false/0/200000/curve/false/country , the global 90th percentile income threshold in 2023 is at about $46,7k USD, market xchg rate.

So yeah, it's quite a bit higher than that, plus I think you vastly underestimate how expensive it is to have your own internet connection and electricity.

And I also make my food everyday that's quite normal for almost everyone but US citizens

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Globally 10% is people worth about 100k USD, which is under the US median for people over 35.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Global top 10%' or 'access to wealth'

  • You are 18-25, your net financial wealth is $50,000 or more.

  • You are 25-29, your net financial wealth is $100,000 or more.

  • You are 30-35, your net financial wealth is $200,000 or more.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Context and after some searching

  • Global Top 10% Wealth: ~$93,170 (2018)).

  • Global Top 10% Income: ~$39,382 annually (PPP-adjusted).

Wealth source

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/how-much-money-you-need-to-be-in-the-richest-10-percent-worldwide.html

Income source

https://wid.world/income-comparator/

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nice to see the phrase "global heating" instead of the wimpy "global warming" or the even more milquetoasty "climate change". I prefer the phrase "anthropogenic runaway global heating" because it makes clear the scale and severity of the problem as well as its origin, and also for the handy acronym.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I sometimes call it "planet destruction" or "stupidity of mankind"

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

Can we do top 1% so that I don't feel included?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

And in other news water is still wet

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

But have YOU been to space?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Context and after some searching

  • Global Top 10% Wealth: ~$93,170 (2018)).

  • Global Top 10% Income: ~$39,382 annually (PPP-adjusted).

Wealth source

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/how-much-money-you-need-to-be-in-the-richest-10-percent-worldwide.html

Income source

https://wid.world/income-comparator/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Two-thirds of global heating caused by us here, study suggests (shocker)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

To produce their analysis, the researchers fed wealth-based greenhouse gas emissions inequality assessments into climate modelling frameworks, allowing them to systematically attribute the changes in global temperatures and the frequency of extreme weather events that have taken place between 1990 and 2019.

I do take studies like this with a grain of salt. I don't know this organization, but they certainly have a point of view, and it certainly is reasonable to think they could have run those computer simulations to say what they wanted it to say.

Now with that said, I'd wager many of the folks in this thread are included in that 10%. The top 10% of the world makes like $50,000 a year. "Rich" is subjective and varies from country to country, region to region. Hell it can vary widely just in the US. And even in a single state (look at average wages for somebody in the NYC area versus Syracuse).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Eat the rich. Remove them from society

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You realize you’re talking about yourself in this context right?

If you live in the US you are the rich.

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[–] toastmeister 4 points 1 week ago

What do we do, set our inflation target to -2% instead?

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