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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm using cpanel email and it's terrible. Can someone recommend something cheap but better than cpanel?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] JoeDyrt 1 points 6 days ago

My most useful emails come from family and groups.io. Rarely some helpdesk response, though if it says reboot something, i stop talking to them.

[–] [email protected] 192 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It’s reliable, it’s simple, it’s free, and virtually everyone who uses the internet has one. Email won’t be replaced for a LONG time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I think WhatsApp has done it already in places like India

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

To be fair, if it is "free" you are probably paying your mail provider with your data.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I assume he meant free like speech, not free like beer.

There are no gatekeepers to email, anyone can get a domain and their own server.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There are definitely gatekeepers. Even if your hosting provider isn’t blocking port 25 by default, SPF, DKIM and DMARC will see your emails going straight into the recipient’s junk folder/spam filter if not correctly configured. Hosting your own mail server at home is also a fantastic way to piss off your ISP, lose emails to downtime, have your IP blacklisted from many services and open up your environment to exploitation. It can be done but let’s not pretend that it’s easy or that there aren’t barriers to entry.

Mail servers are like filo pastry. Sure, you could go to the inconvenience and effort of making it yourself and I’m sure it’ll be very satisfying to do so. But 99% of professionals use the store bought version, and for good reason, because it’s a lot of effort for an end result that is no better and in all likelihood probably worse.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Mostly agree, but as someone who has been hosting my own email for years I can tell it is, in fact, better.

Quick note for hosting one on a residential IP - that would no longer piss any ISP off. You would simply not deliver anything anywhere due to IP being blacklisted by default.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

SPF, DKIM, and DMARC would like to have a gatekeeping word

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's why SMS still exists too. It's from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money. Big tech conglomerates like we have now didn't exist. The state of the tech industry and it's proprietary standards is absolutely fucked.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Google is trying to kill SMS. My new android by default has sms disabled, defaulting to RCS with "try sending sms instead if rcs fails to send" option being off by default, which makes no sense from user perspective

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

RCS is actually a huge improvement over SMS, as it is fully encrypted. One of the few times I've ever approved of something Google did...

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It’s from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money.

SMS is literally from a time when every mobile phone manufacturer had their on charger plug. And some tried pushing proprietary headphone jacks.

Vendors LOVE vendor lock-in.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

SMS was never intended to be available to end users. It was built as a side channel to help field techs with diagnostics. When consumer handsets started to add features, it was co-opted to provide what we know it as today.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sidenote: Remember when having an email address was enough, you didn't have to have a fucking phone number as well? Stop trying to de-anonymize the internet, you're making more problems than you're solving

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

They're not trying to solve any problem beyond their own, potential resistance to false authority.

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[–] owenfromcanada 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thousands of years after humanity has destroyed itself with nuclear weapons...

As the sun peeks through the gray clouds and lights up a solar panel...

A long-forgotten server hums to life...

And sends an email...

"Attention Required: Your Order is Delayed"

[–] ininewcrow 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We've been trying to reach you about your car insurance

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s because it isn’t a silo?

Discord, Slack and a bajillion similar apps do not meld with other apps. Email just happened to hit critical mass before “let’s try to get a monopoly” became the slogan of all tech, and collectively Big Tech is too stupid/hostile to replace it with some cooperative protocol.

iMessage is another pure example of this.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There are tons of open messaging protocols that have been replaced by closed ones. For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

For some reason, likely tied to how it is used, email survived as an open protocol.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

IRC lacks a massive amount of features that discord users typically want. Screensharing, VCs with group and camera support, built-in history (don't need to use a bouncer like on IRC), built-in online GIF searcher and sender with one click, huge community of bots that use discord's API to do anything from games to moderation.

It isn't even close.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mail has the big advantage of being totally cross platform. And it works, basically everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All the application protocols were supposed to be cross-platform! It’s something the corporatisation of the net undermined to an extent

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It's an ongoing debate in one of the projects I work with if we should move to a more forge oriented development process. For all it's faults email does provide a good record of discussion as well as evidence of review.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The project management capabilities of GitLab are pretty nice, for what my opinion is worth.

Then Sourcehut is built around email, so that might be a good middle ground.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

We use GitLab for hosting and CI as well as the issue tracker. Just the patch workflow goes over email although we have considered just maintainers submitting pull requests once the review and tags have been collected on list.

A lot of the more senior maintainers find the process of patch review in the webui suboptimal compared to email.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Reality is everyone has an email, and everyone will keep having an email. My 10 year old has an email so they could sign up to epic and steam. You basically need it to use the internet at all. So of course it will survive.

Outside of business though, when was the last time you sent an email to someone you know?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

I hope the Fediverse will prove similarly resilient.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Matrix, IRC, XMPP

Also Email is useful and you probably shouldn't waste your time consuming info from people who think otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

xmpp is underrated

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IRC and forums as well to a lesser extent.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Much much lesser. IRC has basically died to successors. Everybody still uses email sometimes.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also Usenet. Still around after decades. As long as people are hosting news servers, it will stay. The original decentralized protocol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I haven’t figured out how to host my own news server.

Is there a resource about how to do this?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is your reminder to set up OpenPGP. encrypt your email.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah and I'll use it with maybe one other of my tech nerd friends

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Delta Chat is basically works on PGP emails.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

IMAP is useful. POP can crawl back to the bowels of hell from whence it came.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Something could replace it easily if they tried to use the open standards and decentralized system like email has. But tech companies have gone too greedy, they won't make anything that works with other tech companies. Every one of them are trying to pull users to themselves. Now we have people with account in 5 different websites to communicate with different people instead.

It is sad how far the technology has come. It'd allow so much improvements in quality of life and yet it'll all being used to extract more money, making life shittier.

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