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President Donald Trump's administration is pushing a "deliberate destruction of education, science, and history," wrote Adam Serwer in a scathing analysis for The Atlantic published on Tuesday — and it recalls the "Dark Ages" that followed the fall of the Roman Empire.

"Every week brings fresh examples," wrote Serwer. For instance, Trump "is threatening colleges and universities with the loss of federal funding if they do not submit to its demands, or even if they do. The engines of American scientific inquiry and ingenuity, such as the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, are under sustained attack. Historical institutions such as the Smithsonian and artistic ones like the Kennedy Center are being converted into homes for MAGA ideology rather than historical fact and free expression."

One of the most prominent of these attacks is on Harvard University, which the administration today announced will have all its remaining grants canceled, he said. That matter is currently the focus of legal action as Harvard fights back, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

This purge is already snuffing out free thought across the country, wrote Serwer: "Libraries are losing funding, government-employed scientists are being dismissed from their jobs, educators are being cowed into silence, and researchers are being warned not to broach forbidden subjects. Entire databases of public-health information collected over decades are at risk of vanishing. Any facts that contradict the gospel of Trumpism are treated as heretical."

The result of all this will be to "undermine Americans’ ability to comprehend the world around us," he warned. "Like the inquisitors of old, who persecuted Galileo for daring to notice that the sun did not, in fact, revolve around the Earth, they believe that truth-seeking imperils their hold on power."

And the harm done to America's ability to conduct basic research to improve our lives and advance technology is hard for lay people to comprehend, he continued.

While private companies do a lot of innovation themselves, he continued, "the research that leads to that invention tends to be a costly gamble — for this reason, the government often takes on the initial risk that private firms cannot." For instance, "commercial flight, radar, microchips, spaceflight, advanced prosthetics, lactose-free milk, MRI machines — the list of government-supported research triumphs is practically endless." And even when private companies do their own research, it takes a back seat to profit — after all, "Exxon Mobil knew climate change was real decades ago, and nevertheless used its influence to raise doubt about findings it knew were accurate."

As the Trump administration burns down America's capabilities in the pursuit of destroying "forbidden ideas," Serwer concluded, history could be on track for a grim repeat: it "will dramatically impair the ability to solve problems, prevent disease, design policy, inform the public, and make technological advancements. Like the catastrophic loss of knowledge in Western Europe that followed the fall of Rome, it is a self-inflicted calamity. All that matters to Trumpists is that they can reign unchallenged over the ruins." 1.7K Comments / 1K

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

How much has this to do with Michelle and Barak Obama studying at Harvard? Why is no other university involved?

[–] [email protected] 161 points 1 week ago (3 children)

and here again i find myself unsure of what to say in the face of something i've been warning against for years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

it feels unhelpful, but at this point that's all i have left. basically saying "now do you know who to listen to?"

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm almost at the point of pulling up a lawn chair, cracking open a beer, and wearing a shirt that says "Told ya so" while I waste away in the sun.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Enjoy that lawn chair and beer while you can, we're probably a year or so away from everyone who didn't vote for Trump being either bussed off to the death camps or drafted as cannon fodder in the war for Greenland and Canada.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I'll take the draft, I'd happily lay down my rifle and surrender.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't get whisked off, I die in a 30 minute firefight screaming obscenities and lobbing molotovs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This guy was first picked during dodge ball!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd go to those wars. Seems like they'd appreciate me more as a defecting troop than my current government cares about me as a vet.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A podcaster who used to make a podcast called Common Sense stopped because he felt he had said everything he believed and there wasn't any point in making new shows.

He did one recently which basically said "well it happened just like I expected, but I didn't expect it would be so sudden".

(At least, that's what I took from it....)

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[–] cygnus 135 points 1 week ago (2 children)

and it recalls the “Dark Ages” that followed the fall of the Roman Empire

This is unfair to the Romans. They struggled through multiple economic and migratory/military crises to keep their state alive and saved it from destruction several times before entropy finally took its course. Even after Rome "fell", people maintained the appearance of continuity. What they did not do at any time is deliberately take a hammer to everything. Trump is much more like Pol Pot than Odoacer.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Holy shit you’re right. He is like Pol Pot.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 week ago (20 children)

It’s too late for America. You can’t save a country when half of its citizens want to burn it to the ground.

The best outcome is the left reorients and rebuilds systems independent from the federal government, either by focusing on the state and local level or through interstate compacts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

One third of the country.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I work for an R1 university and have had multiple siblings gleefully claim that where I work is a cult that needs to be shut down. They don't even have enough empathy to wish me well in my life.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i'm doing graduate work at the NIH and whewwwwwww the magas in the extended family think I work in the seventh circle of hell for satan

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hello fellow Knight (in someone’s service)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The only way to save America is to divide it into separate unions.

That way them red states can bask in their poverty.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I really do want to see Alabama, Kentucky, and Mississippi have to try and survive without California or New York as their sugar daddies.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Sugar daddies get something in return. What does Alabama do for New York and California besides some sibling joke material?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

while it is important to stress how terrible trump is making these times, and how much a fascist he is, please know that the “dark ages” were not in fact “dark” at all. there was a whole swath of Asian, African, and Islamic technology, art, and culture that was blooming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They were dark for Europe though, that is undeniable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

not really - a whole ton of german, austrian, “barbarian” art and science was, in fact, explored and created.

it was a period of growth. growth hurts but it was still there.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even Europe had important discoveries and inventions through that time, like the windmill.

The whole Dark Ages schtick was made up by Enlightenment people to make them feel better about themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (10 children)

people are still business as usual as if nothing's happening, and will continue to do when the papers please checkpoints pop up, the curfews, the martial law--it's depressing

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The only surprising thing is that the headline isn't an actual Trump quote.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I thought the same thing initially, but then I considered how accurate the statement was.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I grew up with Reagan and Thatcher on the telly and there was always something bestial beneath the surface layer of civility. Maybe Trump merely shed the pretence.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Sure did.

As much as Trump may make us yearn for the return of civility, let's never forget it was never more than a blanket laid over oppression, exploitation, and dehumanization.

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