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Brett Wilkins Jun 16, 2025

Flight-tracking websites showed dozens of Air Force aerial refueling planes departing from military bases in the United States and heading to Europe on Sunday, fueling speculation of direct U.S. involvement in the widening Israeli-Iranian war.

Military-focused news sites reported that around 30 U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers were identified by flight-tracking software in what The Times of Israelcalled an "unprecedented mass deployment" to Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like the perfect time for Canada, Greenland/Denmark and Panama to launch their preemptive strike and ensure regime change and eliminate US WMD.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If I woke up to discover that all of DC was a smoldering crater and those countries all offered us protected refugee status under Canada’s leadership, the strangest part would be living through world-changing history and having a GOOD feeling about it for once.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Healthcare at a reasonable cost you say?

Count me out in.

A leader who isn't a complete fucking moron?

Also count me in.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Only idiots are excited about wars.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Americans in a nutshell

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (5 children)

If the shit hits the fan, I want too see every single fucking MAGA voter at a US Army recruiting office signing up for 11 Bravo, Grunt Infantry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Nah they'll just cry on tiktok about how they "never expected this at all" so that people feel sorry for them. Even though they fucked everyone around them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Grunt infantry is redundant

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This would have to be the most unpopular war in US history and yet I think everyone Trump has surrounded himself with is telling him to do it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

$$$

Without war, American capitalist hegemony cannot sustain itself. It's so sickening..

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This might sound insane but every single wartime president has gotten a huge boost to their approval ratings due to media networks circulating pure propaganda nonstop. Even NPR will start doing positive coverage.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bingo. Plus if it drags on, he can attempt to stay in power because there's a war.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The consent manufacturing machine will rev up like it always does. There's already attempts to get us on board with a the fantasy of a regime change. As though that won't lead to another ISIS or Libya.

But I really don't think the average liberal boomer is going to fall in line behind Trump like they did Bush. And certainly not anyone younger. Dem leadership is probably already on board though.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Vietnam was pretty unpopular tbh.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But was it in the beginning? I’m not old enough to remember what it was like when it started but clearly there was a lot of propaganda. The unpopularity seemed to manifest over time, as there was no goal and people dying over something most americans didn’t care about.

Or at least that’s my impression.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

It's not even hard to look this up, or maybe I already have the context having loved the 90s history channel. Vietnam had majority support for the first few years. But it was one of the first conflicts that was widely televised. Americans had never so quickly seen how fucked up war was, so support dropped off quickly. Weapons were also becoming a lot more fucked up during this time as well, adding to the visual horror.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

It is clear that Israel want this war. And they clearly can't do anything without the US and the UK at least. However, they commited insane genocidal attack in Gaza which might have been part of their plans to provoke a reaction that justify a war against Iran.

When that didn't work and Trump made a deal with the Houthis in Yemen without their knowledge and was close to a deal with Iran they pulled the plug and basically put the US government under a situation where the have to join their war sooner or later eventhough it is not a good time for the US to do it.

lets imagine Trump administration just gone. Any other adminstration have a few options:

  • play a defensive rule, which cannot last for long as Iran have the means to a long term missile attacks, and Israel being small and there is a few main cities that can be targeted. Along with cost which will run their budgets down.
  • stop supporting Israel, which will make their allies nation to reach to China or Russia for guarantee protection and the US will lose its defense credibility.
  • forcing a ceasefire, which is impossible and Israel keep violating all their ceasefires. As they would like to the war to happen they will force it through escalation.

Along with the fact that Israel own the Congress, the Senate, and the US administration based on how many officials visit Israel and publicly endorsed by AIPAC, there are literally no other option.

The question now is how to make sure it is a popular war, it seems like they were trying to do it by the 6 day mark but couldn't. The US government has two part, Zionist and MAGA supremacist, and the MAGA supremacist don't want to be controlled by Jewish people and it feel as this is what stopping the US from joining now.

Most likely, they came to the conclusion that they will have to stage a false flag attack on US bases or assets to make it easier for the public to accept this war. This has been publicly stated by AIPAC speakers through out the years before 9/11, where now it feels more like a false flag as Benjamin Netanyahu keep mentioning "New York will be next".

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[–] [email protected] 304 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

We just want fucking healthcare and affordable housing.

[–] [email protected] 130 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Sorry, best I can do is 2 trillion more for Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and the like. They're desperate man, they haven't had a war for like 12 minutes, they need to be fed.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 4 days ago (25 children)

God I hate Republicans.

Trump is absolute garbage on every single scale and stat, but it's the republican voters who got us here. Fuck every republican voter.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 days ago (10 children)

This is basic dictator playbook, problems in domestic politics, start a war and problems change to foreign policy.

Putin has done this multiple times now, and Trump is following up.

[–] OutlierBlue 31 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is why I say Canada, Greenland, and Mexico are not safe. Added to the fact that all 3 countries have lots of resources the US needs.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago

We need to fix the voting system. ALL pacs should be banned and campaign spending should be limited.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Time to waste hundreds of billions defending israel while our infrastructure crumbles and our citizens still go without healthcare.

Again.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 4 days ago (10 children)

So much for keeping the US out of war..

[–] [email protected] 109 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I can't believe he'd just... Lie to us like we're a court, Congress or himself or something.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

I didn't call it, but there's nothing quite like a war to distract the population from rampant decline at home.

This one is weird though, Iran is allied with Russia. Israel is allied with the US. Historically, this made sense.

But Trump and Putin playing war together would benefit both of them. It allows Putin to pull out of Ukraine because "Iran provided us much help and they need us now." And it allows Russia to maintain the war economy. It benefits Trump because he wants to play war.

Neither leader would have any actual skin in the game, it's just people's lives that would never contribute in another meaningful way to their power.

I don't like this. This is feeling more 1984 than 1984.

Edit: I like this even worse after I read the specifics of the KC-135R and KC-46A. Each can carry about 200,000 lbs of additional fuel. A single F-15E can hold 13,000 lbs internally. 30 KC-135Rs can refuel an entire F-15E 460 times. Israel has 7 KC-130H (60,000lbs) and 7 Boeing 707s (which is what the KC-135 was based on). This isn't just escalation, this is staging for invasion.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

commondreams.org is on my PiHole block list for some reason, is it a low quality news source, or some such? It's not a news outlet I've heard of, at least.

Edit: Ah, because it's a shell going to a CDN that scoops up data and such, seemingly.

www.commondreams.org (blocked www.commondreams.org.cdn.rebelmouse.com)

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (24 children)

Wasn't Trump the peaceful dove?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

worry not. remember this is TACO Don... he'll chicken out again

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

He also said if he was president there'd be no more wars, so this obviously totally super duperly cannot happen.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Early 2000's era nostalgia goin real hard

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 days ago (19 children)

I’d just like to take this opportunity to say “fuck you” to all the service people flying these planes, planning the logistics, and otherwise operating at the behest of our sadistic federal government. Sure, the civilian leadership is ultimately at fault here, but y’all are humans with agency. I’m no longer carving out culpability from these goddamn people anymore. Fuck you terrorists. If we escalate yet another war, I’ll plan to spit on you when you arrive back broken and dead. Bring on the downvotes.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And again we see old incompetent white men starting another war.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I fucking hate this rhetoric which is: OIL! GAS! BUY OIL! BUY GAS! KEEP PUTIN HAPPY! OIL! GAS!

No one was taking the 'war' between Israel and Iran seriously last week after the initial surge in oil price because the USA was like... "yeah, nah". Now, after a quick call from Putin and bam, all this BS about how the US is pandering for war to drive commodity and share prices up when it's a nothingburger.

Remember kids, buy oil, buy gas and do as you're told.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Search "Altlantic Trident 25"

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[–] skozzii 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

US is going to be bankrupt by the time he is done his second term.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

I mean, that's just on brand for him. If anything, he has shown a talent for bankrupcy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

A-10 movement always preceeds ground deployments. They moved those to Kuwait at the end of March. This has been coming for a while, its not an unplanned thing like it appears.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So NOW they want to have bases in Europe?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, so much for peace talks.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago (28 children)

Anyone else get the feeling WW3 has already started but we just haven't realised it yet?

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