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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I mean, I still love American Gods, Good omens and Neverwhere. I just stopped recommending them to people.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I still enjoy his writing, but I'm not sure how to engage now. I want to separate the artist from the art and let the legal system do its thing as a separate thing and I don't know what 'right' looks like as a reader

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't separate artist and art. I feel guilty and angry. But I also don't want to. Money to them is money to their deeds. Paying for anything Harry Potter is paying for anti-trans movements. Paying anything Gaiman goes to the "fix your image" firm he has hired. Then I start thinking that firm is probably out there with messaging convincing people to separate art from the artist.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Heres what you can do:

Encourage people to pirate his shit

Remind people what he did. In detail.

Start with me! I know he did... Some rapey shit? Pro ably wizard flavored?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

The thing that really pisses me off re: Good Omens in particular is that it took Pratchett out with him. And we don't get any more of the TV show because of it, either. Even though it's only half-Gaiman, it got ruined anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Supporting Gaiman is supporting a rapist; it will negatively impact a couple people directly.

Supporting Rowling is much worse.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (10 children)

such incredible insight, Rowling as an anti-trans activist is engaged in a genocidal movement which has of course a much larger scale of both number of people harmed and the severity of that harm

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

hp was a big part of my pre transition life when i was in the closet. i hate jk so i dont buy new things but i still do reread my existing books. leaky, pottercast, and starkid were the first places i fit in.

but i dont actively seek out pro rowling hp fandom tho. fuck rowling.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think a lot of us trans girls are in the same situation. I learned to read on HP books, and Hermoine was a deeply important character to me growing up 😅 It's hard for me, but I have gradually moved away from the series as it increasingly becomes associated with Britain's Top Transphobe.

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[–] KindnessIsPunk 37 points 1 day ago

Harry Potter is so ubiquitous that most people who consume it do so without really knowing much about the author beyond their name and then there's a decent chunk that don't care because it doesn't affect them and they think it's culture war stuff that doesn't matter.

Making people care about things that don't directly affect them is always the hardest task.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sort of off topic. I think learning new things about an author can make re-reading their works interesting.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Oh look, another barely concealed fetish!

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Am I going to get rid of his works that I own? No, probably not. I love them. Which is why it sucks so much to never recommend them again, but that's the reality.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shitty people can make good art. Death of the author.

Just never give them money.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Death of the author

People here keep using the term as basically a synonym of "separating art from artist" but I always thought death of the author was a different thing. Analyzing the meaning of a book while ignoring what the author says they meant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It is the latter, kind of

It's also (i think) separating it from the context of the author and their life/identity (so, for example, m&m using the n word being different from some other rapper doing the same).

So functions well as shorthand for the former. Or in the case of an author like rowling, as a wish.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

My 2c tho, the Harry Potter novels legitimately suck. This has been my opinion of them since I was in 8th grade when the first one came out. At the time I described Sorcerer's / Philosopher's Stone as a failed attempt at ripping off Roald Dahl (British author who wrote mean-spirited children's books that stereotyped characters with funny-sounding names based on their physical descriptions). I was frequently urged to and attempted to give the books a second chance, never got more than 20 pages back into any of them before I put them down in exasperation because to me they always felt very petty and derivative. I was not very surprised when JK started to peel off her mask to the public.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

some googling later

Well, shit. Glad I buy secondhand books at every opportunity, otherwise I would have given money to a human sized pile of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

didn't i just see any new sandman season announced though?

I feel like we have to be able to separate artists' bad behavior from our evaluation of the quality of their work.

Maybe there's a time limit? Maybe they have to be dead so they can't benefit from their work being sold.

Are there any non problematic artists/creators from 500 years ago who we nevertheless find their work product valuable to society today? What about science? Especially medicine with all the body snatching.

Neil Gaiman is almost certainly a sex pest based on all the women reporting. So I get not wanting to give him money. He hopefully gets it, too.

I like the suggestion of piracy as an approach...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I would say it’s only possible, at least to the degree of Rowling, when the artist is dead. Someone can be a shitty person and not a monster, this is my regard for most actors, authors, and artists. cheat on your wife, have a drug abuse disorder, they're a pretentious asshole that’s hard to work with, or something like that and I can still appreciate their work, they’re not running some weird political agenda funded by their proceeds (Rowling), a cult (Jared Leto), or gross predatory sexual abuse and tape (Kevin Spacey, Diddy.) Anyone purposefully, knowingly, and actively doing harm to others is not something I'm willing to financially or artistically support. When they die and cannot benefit from the proceeds, the art can stand as an independent entity, but as long as it’s under their wing it will be problematic. Gwyneth Paltrow is a weird fucked up person, but I can still enjoy a performance from her, for example, but Cuba Gooding Jr. being involved with Diddy shit is a no go for me.

When it comes to J.K. Rowling, as far as I'm concerned, Death of The Author requires the actual death of the author, otherwise there is no negotiating that you are financially supporting her agenda outside of her art.

Edit: Another good example would be Orson Scott Card, as a human I despise him and his views, but he is simply outspoken about his views and never started a whole god damned foundation with the intent to try to codify his views into law, and I can still enjoy the works of his I enjoy with nothing more than “man, that guy is a bigoted asshole, how the hell did he manage to write such hard Sci-Fi?” If Rowling were simply outspoken about her views then that would be one thing, but she is actively trying to ruin people’s lives and cause social and political erasure of people she refuses to understand via the profits of her works.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Whether or not their work is good, do you really want to enable them to keep being rich pieces of shit by buying their works? The ultimate cutoff point is when their work becomes public domain, death only works if their heirs aren't also horrible people. Though some artists do reform in their later years, e.g. HP Lovecraft.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I like the suggestion of piracy as an approach...

I hear Anna has an archive of said work...

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I’d only heard about Gaiman on tumblr, and they’re fairly socially conscious over there. Frankly, I’d be surprised if he had any staying power with the crowd that previously endorsed him.

“Sexually assault your fans” wouldn’t sit well with anyone, whereas “women aren’t real women” comes out of left field.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Agreed, Gaiman fans are not the average person, I think this partially accounts for the difference (as well as the difference between how culturally acceptable transphobia is compared to rape).

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Thing is Gaiman pissed off all feminists with the SA allegations so of course he has disappeared from the online world because the cross over between Neil Gaiman readers and SA-appologists is very small.

Whereas a sect of the feminists support her gatekeeping opinion that the only thing that can describe if you're a woman is being born with a cunt. This one very vocal audience is not unified.

On top of that Rowling is more mainstream than Gaiman is and the general public is more willing to ignore the mudslinging world of gender politics and not get involved if it means more content from a popular mediocre scribe.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

yeah, agreed - Gaiman's fans are far less willing to tolerate his SA, HP fans are more general public and transphobia is more socially acceptable than SA.

Basically this post is essentially saying, "it's a shame transphobia is so acceptable to people"

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