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[–] [email protected] 148 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So literally what happened here is Trump said, "I want to violate the Constitution" and the Supreme Court said, " Okay — go ahead."

And that's it for the rule of law in the US.

All that's left now is to tally the mass murders along the way to the inevitable collapse of the US, and to hope that our descendents can build something better out of the rubble.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

The US collapsing is going to absolutely affect the rest of the world. This is very VERY bad.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 days ago (8 children)

At what point does everyone say "if he's not following the law, then neither should we"?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

That point was sometime around the first term but the "wE aRe NOt thERe Yet" crowd keeps moving the goal post

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Guilty. I've stolen 2 elections already and dogwhistled so much

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Can you please just give them back? We've been looking for them literally everywhere

Also, those whistles give me a headache

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I came to that conclusion when he won the election despite his numerous crimes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I break laws all the time now. They have no meaning. It's like the wild west now

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

I'm ready if you are

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

At what point are you willing to sacrifice your life for your cause?

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

Lest we forget:

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Pretty hard to argue that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” doesn’t mean what it clearly states. It’s not even in legalese. The fact that this wasn’t laughed out of court says everything.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That's what the Constitution says, and Trump now has nothing that can legally stop him from doing it.

Which means the Constitution is dead letter.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I saw a person trying to all caps "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" screaming that this specific clause somehow is the piece that excludes birthright citizenship because something something loyalty to other countries?

[–] theacharnian 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So like ....kids of illegal aliens are ... sovereign citizens?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

It is just a fucking piece of paper.

If the judges and politicians and police don't care and no one else can do anything then it means nothing.

It is this or bloody revolution and that would lead to the US being invaded by multiple other countries and shit getting worse and worse.

North Korea of America is where we are now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Uggh. I can work out whether to upvote you for the accurate summary of the source of law & state power or downvote you for the utter idiocy of the invasion statement.

Russia can't - they're struggling to take over a country a fifth their size and have burnt through their Soviet stockpiles.

UK & EU certainly won't invade, at most they'd send a peacekeeping force to protect civilians at a UN request (UN probably wouldnt pass it)

Canada will be stretched just keeping fighting out of its borders.

Mexico might just on principle (payback's a bitch) but has bugger all capacity.

Same for South American Asian and African countries.

That leaves China, and if you think the Chinese are stupid enough to insert themselves in your civil war and create a sole enemy for both sides to fight you have zero understanding of the Chinese strategy.

The Chinese will wait for you all to decimate the country and each other, then come in and buy up the bits they want. Oh and invade Taiwan while y'all are busy destroying your country.

Putin's plan to destroy the US has worked magnificently.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can Trump prove his citizenship, if this policy goes through?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

His 1st & current wife were not citizens when those children were born. They should be deported.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

This is fucking Stephen Miller's Nazi wet dream

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)

As much as I dislike the decision, they did not give the “ok”

The ruling was about how the lower courts handle injunctions. The court cases are playing out still.

I still hate the decision.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

Effectively, anyone who does not have a lawyer who files a specific suit in a very short period of time can be deported at will. Saying it does not end the 14th Amendment is an exercise in English language mechanics, not in how it ends up affecting the world.

If you are high school student who is shipped off to a foreign prison, how likely do you think it is somebody will fight to bring you back?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

I'm curious if this means that certain cities or states will become citizenship havens because their local courts decided to provide injunctions for their jurisdiction.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

this is insane

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