Systemic problems cannot be solved at individual level
this post was submitted on 30 Jun 2025
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Save the environment, compost a billionaire
Compost the rich, and eat the veggies!
They'd probably poison the ground they're composted into.
gotta remove all the plastic implants and shit, first, sure.
I learned from game theory that these situations are the equivalent of the prisoner's dilemma.
In the prisoner's dilemma, in the case where you only play the game once, cooperation has a worse outcome for you, regardless of what your opponent does. It is a dominated option. Only in the case where the game is repeated many times, and where both players are paying attention to their opponent, only in that case does cooperation become a useful option.
When people recycle, we are choosing to cooperate. But as nobody is paying attention to what we're doing, it is always the dominated option. We end up having to work more, and we don't get better results. And then we inevitably get huge betrayals.
But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't recycle. It simply means the game has shitty rules. That's why responsible government regulations are essential for environmentalism, if we actually want to see results.
Plastic recycling is literally pointless though.
It’s a farce to pretend that plastic can be reused/sustainable in any way. Most “recycled” plastic ends up just shipped off to pollute developing countries in Africa and Asia.
yup, china has mostly stopped plastic trash from the us, i think malaysia is making moves to prevent that too.
its difficult because plastic is basically toxic when you try to melt it or dissolve it into a usable plastic again, the process is probably more expensive too.
Its why I throw it in the bin! Rather poison my own landfill than someone else's.
The best solution is to try to avoid buying things with plastic, and repurposing plastic that you do have to buy.
It’s not really that much of an answer, but plastic recycling is entirely greenwashing by the industry.
I try where possible but companies have cottoned on to this and now charge more for the greener option.
" Oh you want to buy recycled paper towel that comes wrapped in paper and not plastic? Thats $2 more than the non-recycled one which is wrapped in plastic, cough up you green cuck! "
Me paying 5¢ for a plastic bag while the owner attends a wedding. Sounds about right
Why can’t you bring your own reusable one and save the five cents?
Sometimes you forget it at the house.
Then pay the five cents occasionally?
Yes?
Nah, buy a new reusable one. It's not like if they last forever, they need occasional replacement.
Not related to the five cent cost, but there are stores I go to where they don't allow you to take outside containers (like bags) into the store.
Man that's fucking dystopian.
Eh. It's a low-profit-margin store in a bad area of a bad area. I get the rationale, and self-serve shopping is a pretty recent innovation itself (only developing come the 1920s or so). I wouldn't call it dystopian so much as unfortunate.
No offense but then that’s just a five cent tax on choosing that store.
Not related to the five cent cost
I stand by my statement and my reading skills.
Odd. Not even folded and subsequently unfolded in front of the clerk?
Just reading about reusable bags and theft yeah
Even if Jeff kills every single puppy he sees we still have a chance to save one or two if we encounter them in our neighborhood
Jeff “allergic to philanthropy“ Bezos is an idiot but if we have a waterway next to our house we might be able to keep a bag or two out of it by getting folks to put skin in the game
(Normally I’d say “make bags cost 0.001% of your income so it’s all fair for everyone” but cheapskate richies actually might be reminded to grab reusable bags just to save a nickel, though IDK… Warren Buffet would not want to pay for a bag I do know that, cuz he eats McDs and pays exact cash change once his wife counts it out for him)
Yeah, the thing I hate about these memes is there's often an implicit suggestion that we're let off the hook for the things we can control.
The moral isn't "you can stop recycling now", it's "eat the rich, they're fucking up the whole planet".
My issue is, you using a reusable bag is wonderful, please keep that up. However, it is like dropping a eye dropper full of acid into the ocean. You are not changing the acidity of the ocean.
Dropper being 1mL Ocean being 1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers
Bezo housing tons of servers, just to collect information to manipulate people into buying his shit products. Clear cutting huge plots of land for his fulfillment centers. We haven't even touched the amount of plastic waste sold to third world countries or dumped in the ocean. Also their AI service that helps boil the ocean.
Everyone on this planet could be negative waste producers. And still the mega companies will destroy our planet.
Lol yes.
I'd allow it if, say, we seized 90% of each owner's wealth and invested it into clean and renewable tech.
I'm very reasonable like that!
Zohran the Destroyer, is that you?
I could only aspire to be so based!
Fun fact: if Jeff bezos lost 90% of his wealth, he still would be a billionaire
Counter point we burn 100% of their wealth and they thank us for the privilege of not being fed to the nearest tree. If they don't the tree will eat.
Counter point we burn 100% of their wealth and they thank us for the privilege of not being fed to the nearest tree. If they don’t the tree will eat.
I could never support such a thing!
Burning wealth is so wasteful!
Don't the Norwegians brun trash to generate power? Same principal, I guess we can recycle computer parts and metals but everything else goes into the furnace.
Mario bros! RISE UP!
Let the rich fear us, let the exploiters cower in terror. Systemic change requires dramatic catalysts, the money tree needs to be ripped at its roots and burned with revolutionary intent.
No longer will we bow down to the 'Almighty Dollar'
A cancer can only be 'cured' if it's completely removed and destroyed. Fuck Cancer, Fuck the Rich
Unless the individual happens to be exceedingly wealthy. In which case, they're the systemic problen
Could a mechanic forget a couple of critical screws holding the engine together? Its a general question from a friend who theoretically asked lol. Hypothetically.
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