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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/41402388

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Awesome! Now let's get the EU one as well, much closer than before now. (840'000)

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

5 minutes later and it's 843k, almost 1k signatures per minute, not bad at all!

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

This is fucking bonkers.

I ran the math a few days ago, before this absolutely blew the fuck up, and I came to:

We'd need 11k sigs per day until July 31st.

... We're now apparently at more than double that and climbing exponentially.

Ho Lee Shit.

God DAMN has it been a while since I've seen something go actually, truly, organically viral.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm just worried some of them are botted, especially now that we're less than 100k away from 1m.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, its not technically completely impossible, but the vast majority of EU countries require a valid name, id, address, etc, its usually a pretty dumb idea to bot spam an official government web portal, and I'm sure there will be a review process after July 31.

Also... its not like it hits a million and then just no one else can sign up to it anymore.

It'll stay open till the end of the month, could easily breach a million, maybe even two million if anything like this insane rate keeps up.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

844k now. Wow. I wonder what caused the sudden surge? Or is it just that most momentum can be gain at the start and towards the end like with Kickstarters?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

After Ross announced the campaign is dead a bunch of YouTubers (and media, I think?) picked up the topic and started spreading the word far and wide. This is the result.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Here's what bugs me: Why didn't channels like GamerNexus and LTT cover the petition until after Louis declared it dead?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's actually one of the most annoying parts about the whole thing. SKG campaign has been running for what, a year now? Barely anyone with an audience cared enough to even look into it, let alone spread the news. Now that things came close to failing suddenly everyone thinks it's an important topic and scrambled to make videos/posts/whatever. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt but I just don't have that in me any more...
We could've been in so much better place with awareness, petitions and general sentiment if people in the industry actually cared about these things from the start.

Better late than never, I guess. I just hope there's enough time to push through the EU petition as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, there's at least two aspects here:

Fucking Thor, PirateSoftware.

Up untill Ross posted his 'SKG is dead' video... Thor had by far gotten the most views of anyone with a video discussing SKG.

And Thor... well, he was anti-SKG, and had been spreading a bunch of objectively false bullshit about it, actual FUDD.

So... about half of Ross's video was dedicated to pointing out how Thor was wildly misunderstanding things, and fairly graciously and politely trying to correct these misconceptions.

So here's the two sort of things at play I see, in terms of 'why sudden surge now?'

  1. Thor was just shown to be objectively, factually wrong. Thus, the immediate effect of this would be to reiterate and clarify and reinforce with more specificity what SKG actually is... and that could directly convince people to give a damn, to believe in Ross's SKG over Thor's misunderstandings and mischaracterizations.

But uh, almost certainly much, much more relevant:

  1. Ross doing (1) created an absolute drama shit storm via the way youtube works now... which is very much just drama mongers and commentators reporting on e-drama. (1) kicked off an actual, organic, honest to god, truly viral explosion of many, many people who'd basically never heard of any of this before, mostly dogpiling on Thor for being such a disingenuous, egotistical asshole and liar, but also of course encouraging people to sign the SKG petition.

This kind of absurd, out of nowhere explosion of popularity of some topic, idea, meme, whatever, that spreads from person to person to person, from the ground up instead of top down... this is what something going 'viral' originally meant in the earlier days of the internet, 15 to 20 ish years ago.

You know, it spreads, from host to host, like a pandemic outbreak, shockingly rapidly.

These days we have everything hypermanaged by algorithms that silo you into your own content niche... and this was an exceptional enough of an event that it broke containment.

Videos like ... this entire topic/event/story... used to be what the YouTube trending tab looked like.... just totally random shit that for whatever reason, a bunch of people organically shared with each other, back when the algos were much, much more primitive.

...

Anyway... extremely ironically, a whole lot of the viral nature of this is due to Thor being just such an astoundingly massive piece of shit liar and manipulator.

He has a whole entire history of being astoundingly cocky, arrogant, dishonest, deceptive, intellectually inconsistent, rhetorically manipulative, etc, and it is genuienly... just astounding, i dont know what other word to use, to go through every single shitty thing Thor has done or said, not only in regards to SKG, but many, many other things Thor has done.

Basically, Thor is now a lolcow, a perfect person to milk by making content criticizing him, because he really is that much of an unbelievable, outrageuous idiot asshole.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Piewdiepie made a community post yesterday supporting it and asking people to go sign if that has still something to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well whatever it was it seems to be working. 876k now. Crossing fingers.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

2 hours later and it's 860k.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

WHAAAT LETSGOOOOO DABABY. Thank you PirateSoftware for the publicity :3

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

And fuck you too btw PirateSoftware :)

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Wait untill people realize that Ross Scott has had a running show, 'Freeman's Mind', going back to basically the fucking machinima days, where he just does a playthrough of all of Half Life and voices Gordon's inner thoughts.

Its still on his youtube channel!

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PNZBb6b9LvDWpI-5CPYUxG1Rnm-vr9V

We are going to need another petition to get Ross an honorary title, a goddamned bust of an upraised fist in an HEV suit, clenching a crowbar, with 'For Exceptional Valor and Dutiful Service in the Defense of Video Gaming' emblazoned on its base.

Let the memes flow!

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Don't stop yet! They might still remove incorrectly filed entries.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Jesus what, a week or so ago this was dead in the water.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Nothing brings the internet together like hating a sexist self centered egotistical narcissist.

Seriously pirate has been an asshole for like 20 years. He's been banned from furry communities, kicked out of second life communities, rejected from eve communities.

Now people are realizing how much of a scum bag he is in the streamer community.

The only upside his asshole self centeredness has draw crazy attention to the partition.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who? I seriously have no idea who you're talking about.

I honestly think that the main reason this has kicked off is that up until about a week ago it wasn't really advertised. I didn't even know that it started the petition up again, I knew the original one failed because parliament closed and for some reason that meant the petition had to end.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

PirateSoftware (Thor) is a streamer and a game developer who is a narcissistic asshole. He's been very against the SKG petition since I think the start since if it passed he would be forced to keep supporting his games once they fail (it's happened before) and made a video trying to torpedo the petition some months ago by spreading disinformation that's easily disproven with a halfway decent level of reading comprehension. Recently the guy who runs the SKG petition announced that Piratesoftware was successful, which caused a lot of big streamers and Youtubers to catch on and call PirateSofware out while endorsing SKG, including MoistCritikal. Since then the number of signings have skyrocketed.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Like the McRib and chlamydia, we're back baby!

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

What's funny about this whole thing is it's almost like PirateSoftwares days in EVE Online when he invited everyone to Pochven space cause he thought he was hot shit and then proceeded to get his ass handed to him and he rage quit the game. He brought attention to something that ended up having the opposite effect of what he wanted.

Granted he was absolutely shit at EVE regardless of what he's told his audience. couldn't fit a ship to save his life, ran for CSM and no one voted for him, then rage quit when everyone and even his own corp proceeded to kick his teeth in.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Wow, I hadn't even heard of that particular story of Thor being an egotistical asshat.

I'd been looking into the WoW debacle, then stumbled into other stuff, but nope, that one's new to me.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was in his corp (my old one merged with his, I had no idea who he was for quite a while), and this... isn't exactly accurate. First, from what I remember, he left on okay terms with the corp.

There was a laundry list of issues with Pochven, a lot of them due to CCP just not bothering to fix issues that the players reported, and moving devs who did want to try and fix some of the issues to different areas of the game. It got to the point where it wasn't economically viable to live in the area, which reduced how many ships we could field, and the number of people even willing to join.

CCP also took forever to decide on how wormholes interacted with the region, and changed those interactions frequently. Some of these were great, for instance there was a point where most of the wormholes linked to wormhole systems, and it was a complicated (and dangerous) dance to get people in and out of the region undetected. CCP ended up going with the worst possible interaction: many wormholes directly linked to nullsec space, where massive alliances could easily find them and send massive fleets through with little effort.

He wasn't the only one to quit, to be honest I'm surprised he stayed for as long as he did given how he acts now.

Is Thor an egotistical narcissist? Absolutely. Was this a case of that? Not really

By the way, this is a statement he put out alongside the other two main groups in Pochven. I can tell you for a fact that 90+% of the players who spent most of their time in Pochven felt this move was absolutely justified*:

Edit* And the other ~10% disagreed with the destruction of the citadels, not the sentiment of the statement

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Well hey, I very much appreciate more info from someone who was actually there!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

Haha, holy shit. Somehow I had never connected that Piratesoftware was Maldavius. Yeah, that explains so, so very much of this entire SKG debacle.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago

Keep going! Who knows how many signatures will be ruled as invalid.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I American't sign European petitions

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

no worries, you can help as this will benefit you too. if you are on any online gaming comunities with Europeans, you can share the link.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

Both are past 100k now! I want to issue a special "fuck you" to all the idiot streamers that tried to kill SKG. And of course a special "go fuck yourself" to PirateSoftware and Asmongold for being fuckwit right wing tools for corporations. You have a special place in my heart as illiterate lapdogs to shitty corporations and right wing shills.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't it already reach the threshold last year and the government (or the civil servant in charge of rejecting every petition) closed it saying that current consumer protection laws already apply?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

My understanding is that they misunderstood the petition, so this new one is rephrased in an attempt to avoid another misinterpretation

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

Politicians seem very good at misunderstanding things when it suits them.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

They didn't close it. They provided an answer early. That as they see it, existing trade and consumer law should cover games and they don't plan on carving out extra legislation for it but they will "keep an eye on it".

Now it is over 100k, it doesn't actually mean anything more than they "might" debate it in parliament.

Now, don't get me wrong. I signed the petition, and I think they SHOULD look into it. But, my old cynical bones tell me that even if they do have a debate in parliament. It will be at a time when there will be 5 MPs in there, who will have nothing to say on the matter and it will be swept under the rug with a further canned statement drawn up by some civil servant in whitehall talking about consumer law just like the statement before.

Most western governments are on the side of industry, and that includes game developers. I cannot imagine they care about this subject and will do the bare minimum lip service to move past it.

I hope I'm wrong.

I do have a bit more hope for the European parliament. Just a little. They do seem to be a bit more pro-consumer. That is the one that matters most IMO.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think you're wrong, and I think the EU petition will go the same way, but it's still worth signing regardless.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Good job UK ! Now cancel Brexit and vote for the EU one !

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fell asleep, woke up, suddenly there's only 30k left on the EU initiative.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The Islanders finished there's, but the EU one still has a ways to go!

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