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[–] [email protected] 178 points 6 days ago (14 children)

"Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan."

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (20 children)

If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them.

Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia...until next time...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Taiwan for Ukraine would actually be a trade worth considering for Europe. The major problem, besides values like freedom and democracy, international law, is the interruption of supply lines from Taiwan caused by a Chinese takeover.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Exactly, Taiwan made sure it was worth defending, but I fear that this will lose value over time. Besides you never know what stupid shit is going to come out of tramp's brain the day anything escalates.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trump like the military because he does like everything powerful and strong. I think he truly is opposed to long and costly wars. So far his actions track that pretty well.

Trump is looking for deals to enrich himself or become more famous and powerful.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

...so was putin (who is smarter than him), it was supposed to be a 2-week SMO in the Donbas. But the problem with these megalomaniac gamblers is that it is easy for them to miscalculate, because they think war is easy, quick, simple and they think that their opponents are no match.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Interruption? You mean ceasing, as all semiconductor industry would be levelled by the usa

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[–] Binturong 23 points 5 days ago

Hey well maybe that would have been a good consideration to make before tying themselves to the outcome by tacitly (and directly) supporting Russia for profit in the first place. When your fortune is dependent on the eradication of millions of people, by choice, you deserve to lose, and can go kick rocks for all I care. Slava Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago

Sure you can.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That is a startlingly weak position for China to be in.

[–] cygnus 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not really startling. No big player other than Russia has ever been on China's side RE Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I feel like Russian support is pretty much a rounding error when it comes to Chinese power.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I suspect the concern is that no one, including China itself knows how strong they would be in a military conflict, since they haven't been in an at scale conflict in living memory, using economic power instead to great effect.

If they are really wanting to violently assert their view on Taiwan, they want global attention divided.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It still baffles me how people manage to justify China's position on Russia. Sure it's "geopolitics" but if you take a look at domestic propaganda in China itself it's certainly much more than that.

Check out videos of what Ukrainians deal with while living in China - its down right disgusting how brainwashed Chinese are equating Zelenskyy to the likes of Hitler in Ukrainian's faces and thsse are just normal people in apolitical contexts like nurses in hospitals. It's absolute insanity.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's just Chinese people in general on any subject. Anyone who's actually been to that country would notice pretty quickly that things are NOT OK. The Chinese population has never not known abuse and it shows.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I lived and worked in China for a year (Shenzhen). There was a palpable sense of brainwashing and/or an overpowering air of unhealthy patriotism there. Which made it stranger for me as I had Chinese friends and coworkers that seemed like decent normal people, we went to bars and drank and joked together. But whenever the topic of China as a country and its policies came up, everyone had a similar change in attitude and unwavering loyalty to the government.

I never felt that I was being targeted specifically, but I also never felt truly comfortable for a number of reasons. I’m glad I got to expand my horizons and experience a bit of what the country/city had to offer, I don’t think I would willingly go to live there again.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Well, they need to help Israel fight a multi-front war and commit genocide at the same time. That's more than just walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Short notice that kyivindependent.com is certainly not neutral on this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

It's being reported by other outlets like the CNN and the South China Morning Post.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As a side note: there is speculation that China may be approaching a change of leader due to Xi experiencing health issues (not a change of leadership in the wider sense - the collegial system of the CCP is considered to be functioning).

Thus, it may be impossible for the Chinese foreign minister to be fully confident of what China's policy will be in the future.

Obviously, China views it as unacceptable for Russia (its ally and soon enough, practically its vassal) to all-out lose. (The easiest way to not lose, of course, is not starting a war, but that train is long gone and behind the hills.)

Prolonging the war does not eliminate this risk well, however - exhaustion could spread in Russian society and morale could collapse despite the state spewing its propaganda, or the economy could collapse. So, simply propping up Russia by letting them buy the goods they shouldn't be getting is not a very elegant solution. Direct interference on behalf of Russia would lead to open hostility with the EU, which is currently ambivalent about China.

What remains is nudging Russia to negotiate. But Putin is hard-headed and only willing to negotiate Ukraine's surrender, on terms which Ukrainians will laugh out of the door.

As for the US being able to focus on China, well I guess they're a bit concerned about it, but given the mental and organizational capability of the current US leadership, I don't think Chinese analysts are particularly worried.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

TACO boy is playing right into the hands of Russia and China like a four year old wanting personal fame and profit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Ahh, so Trump gets his orders from the Chinoruskie empire...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For now. Ideally they lose in a few years once China has a better position

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You can count on tramp and his fascist toadies to lose their proxy war with China without a fight by refusing to acknowledge it until no asian ally is willing to resist or share intel out of fear of getting betrayed, like the EU and Ukraine.

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