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I guess now we finally know why Babbage never finished building the Analytical Engine.

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 144 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ada Lovelace invented coding on that thing btw

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 165 points 4 months ago (4 children)

And then had the wisdom to die before a computer capable of running her programs was invented, thus saving the bother of having to debug them.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 50 points 4 months ago

Writes code.

Realises that debugging code that was written by the lunatic that is yourself two nights ago is going to be a big part of her life.

dies

We've all had debugging sessions where that feels like the best option. Right?

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

I wouldnt have done anything different

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Debugging was easier when all you had to do was spray the room with fly spray and vacuum the tubes.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just that the Analytical Engine she'd have had to debug was all gears and levers and cranks and linkages and shit. One wrong move and it'll take off a finger, or a hand, or more.

In hindsight, if modern computers were like this, probably users would be different, too...

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I realize you jest, but I bet she did actually debug them by running through them by hand. I've found and fixed many bugs via code review without actually running into the bug during a run. Plus wtf else was there to do in the 1800s? Debugging might have been relatively highly entertaining in those days.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 91 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I always assumed they were asking if it was rigged.

Like, i can write function sum(a, b) that always returns 10, and impress people how it's correct when I pass in 1,9 and 2,8 and 3,7. But if I pass in 7,7 it'll still return the "right" answer of 10, because it's rigged and not actually doing math.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 125 points 4 months ago (4 children)

That's a good point, but a few decades of talking to clients has led to a number of conversations like this where they want it to "just work", even if they've input the wrong information.

[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 56 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Clients? Shit happens in my house.

"My monitor keeps turning off."

"Ok next time it happens ill look at it and see if i can figure out what is going on."

"Cant you just fix it?"

"Fix what? I dont know whats wrong yet."

"Just fix the monitor."

[–] socsa@piefed.social 29 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Legitimately, about 1/3 of the time my mere presence seems to magically fix the issue.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've started defaulting to just saying "yes" with my family and pretending to fix it. I'm actually thankful for the laptop revolution, cause I can just say "it's fucked, buy a new one."

[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Once you've got the new one, I'll take your old one and dispose of it appropriately...

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago

I have like a dozen old laptops with various flavors of Linux on them because of this. Can't give them away cause apparently Linux is a scary word in this part of the country.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 33 points 4 months ago

One time my boss asked me to basically solve the Travelling salesman problem.

My first pass at ot was a simple grab closest neighbor solution, but that left a slightly unoptimal path and my boss asked me to "fix" it. I explained to him why, no, I can't make it both fast amd accurate, pick one, while also showing him that wikipedia page. I was so mad when he said just make it more accurate ignoring now it takes hours to run sometimes only to save 10 seconds of a machine moving.

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[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 41 points 4 months ago

I always assumed they were asking if it was rigged.

That's a valid assumption one can only make without knowing the malevolent stupidity of typical computer users.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Alternatively, people could genuinely believe the primitive computer is a "thinking machine". So if you fat-finger an input, will the machine know you made a mistake and intuitively correct you? Not unlike asking "Hey, I've got ten days of vacation, can I take two weeks off?" And your coworker - knowing a week is seven days, but you're only referring to business days - responds "Yes".

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, they were literally asking if the machine was able to return the right result if the person didn't enter it ccorrectly. You know, like how some people expect search engines and AI to give them the answer they want even if they use the wrong words.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh like when you type "population of tenton" and it returns "Did you mean Trenton? That population is XYZ"

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, except in the case of Babbage's machine they were asking if putting 1235 instead of 1234 would give the same answer.

Search engines work that way because of having large large datasets and pattern recognition that can suggest based on typos. Calculators don't do that.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah but calculator back then was a profession. So if suddenly a machine can replace a complete profession it's at least conprehensible to assume it can do more than it actually can. It's basically the same with AI right now. There is this "overshoot" of what is expected from a new paradigm shifting technology. Similar to how people 100 years ago thought there will be flying cars by now.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Helicopters are flying cars.

It is possible that the question was intended to be about human error checking prior to starting the process of calculating, like noticing a lack of a decimal on a monetary number in a data set, and Babbage misunderstood. That would be a valid question, but isn't how the quote is phrased.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] tomiant@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago

"Can it ChatGPT?"

"No."

"Can ChatGPT?"

"No."

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 4 months ago

That quote is my favorite example of a very polite wtf

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So the I-d10t bug has been around since the beginning, it seems.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've also heard it referred to as PICNIC: Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

PEBKAC - Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair is another one.

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[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Layer-8 issue, even when it's DNS, it's a Layer-8 issue.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Could be layer 9, management

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

i.e. "I'm not smart enough, nor dumb enough, to understand how you arrived at such a stupid question."

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

And thus the role of QA was born.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago

All unit tests show PEBKAC

[–] Potti@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've seen a couple papers on theoretical designs for purely mechanical computers that can run doom, but as far as I am aware I've never heard of one that's actually been built.

but in theory yes it could have

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it has limited memory but could me expanded, by a lot. but I'm theory yes, no display though.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Pff, who needs a display? Just do that Matrix thing and render the raw state in your head.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I didn't even see the code anymore. It's just; pinky, capro, barron.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 months ago

Confusion of ideas in, garbage out.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't it a member of Parliament who asked him this? Or was that addition apocryphal?

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[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Old enough to remember Babbages video game store. I'd spend hours re-reading the descriptions on the back of every game box. Joy. Great share, thanks!

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[–] smileygav@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

Works on my machine

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I've replied with just these letters to people before. Improved UX can only get you so far, before the ticket becomes "can you fix stupid?".

PEBCAK.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 4 months ago

Being extremely, extremely generous, maybe they meant a human would notice the input was incorrect? But even then, a human could notice the same when inputting it into a computer.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 8 points 4 months ago

[off topic?]

https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-difference-engine-a-novel-william-gibson/0a5ffa44e0f3f9f1

"The Difference Engine" Fifty years ago, Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage gave the British empire the first working computer. Since that time, life has changed vastly in some areas, but remained the same in others. Great novel.

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