submitted 4 months ago by cyborganism to c/privacy

I'm fucking done with Chrome. Fuck this.

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[-] [email protected] 127 points 4 months ago

We need an Internet reset.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Gemini is an application-level client-server internet protocol for the distribution of arbitrary files, with some special consideration for serving a lightweight hypertext format which facilitates linking between hosted files. Both the protocol and the format are deliberately limited in capabilities and scope, and the protocol is technically conservative, being built on mature, standardised, familiar, "off-the-shelf" technologies like URIs, MIME media types and TLS.

That looks really cool. What would incentivise companies to use it over a regular website with tracking and whatnot?

[-] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately this.

Not only would companies not want to use it because of no incentives like what they get from the internet with monetary gains, it'll likely only exist as an incredibly niche thing because not many people will hear about it due to the first part.

That said, maybe that's the best part of the whole thing. With less things to exploit, it wards off companies and "influencers" just using it to make money and it becomes more focused around hobbies like the internet once was.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

a protocol for the distribution of arbitrary files, like http. A hypertext format, which http was intended for. Using mature technologies such as a bunch of stuff that http already uses.

This is just http with extra steps. The problem is not in how the data is sent, but what data is sent. This is the equivalent of noticing people sending a lot of hate mail via snail mail, and the "solution" to that being to use square envelopes instead.

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[-] blakcod 125 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Try its forks: LibreWolf (desktop) and Iceraven (Android)

[-] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Mull is another option for Android.

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[-] [email protected] 102 points 4 months ago

Firefox is for people with big cocks

[-] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 93 points 4 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago

Jokes on you Google, but I dont want to see ANY ads...

[-] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago

Hey you're in luck! For just $99.99/mo* we'll remove those ads.

But we'll still collect way more data than you think and in a couple months we'll raise the price for the True Unlimited* plan

**True Unlimited plan has like, so many ads, because fuck you.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

But how will the already-profitable company make more profit at your expense?

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago

Firefox it is and was for over a decade and more. Add uBlock Origin, uMatrix and some smaller stuff and the web suddenly becomes accessible.

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago

Chrome stopped being good 6 to 8 years ago.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Piggybacking here to let people know that hitting "no thanks" on that dialog only disables 1 out of the 3 new tracking methods added to Chrome. Besides turning off "ad topics" you need to go to preferences and also disable "site-suggested ads" and "ad measurement".

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago

Ah yes, "hey instead of us tracking you, can you just save us the computation effort and just tell us what you're into? We'll still keep tracking you though." And this is somehow a privacy FEATURE? Even though they clearly say they'll be sharing thisvinfo with websites you visit? Boggles the mind

[-] cyborganism 22 points 4 months ago

Exactly. It's corporate newspeak.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Yeah, sometimes. Archive.org has a nice collection of vintage ones.

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago

Firefox has always been my main browser but I don't get OP's point.

Isn't this a good feature because it allows personalized ads without tracking?

Can someone explain to me?

[-] [email protected] 70 points 4 months ago

"To stop everyone else from stealing your data, let us steal it for them!"

It's like trying to stop a fire by committing arson.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago

It's like trying to stop a fire by committing arson

I get the point you’re trying to make, but we regularly actually start fires to prevent fires.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

That's true. Maybe I should've picked my analogy better lol.

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[-] cyborganism 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

According to this popup, Chrome is essentially sending my entire browsing history god knows where in order to build a user profile that is then used by advertising companies to display targeted ads on the websites I visit. But it allows me to control which topics get shown or hidden and somehow that is a "privacy" feature.

I just don't want my browsing history to be used for anything except finding what pages I visited in the past and that's it. I'm sick of being tracked and having my whole god damn digital life being shared to fucking greedy corporations who want to send me ads to buy crap I don't need.

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[-] MaxHardwood 43 points 4 months ago

There is a lot of misinformation being shared in this thread.

A good excerpt from Steve Gibson covering Topics on SecurityNow #935

What I do know, though, is that user profiling via tracking represents the height of privacy intrusion. As far as I know, an immutable record of every website I have ever visited is squirreled away in multiple massive hidden and inaccessible-to-me profiling databases. And I have zero control over that. That's the world we're in today. But if Topics succeeds, and Google would appear to be in the position to singlehandedly deliver its success, it is a far less intrusive profiling technology. And in addition to being a much weaker information gatherer, Google has chosen to provide its users complete control over the Topics their browser presents to the world, including turning it off altogether for full anonymity. I'll explain that further in a minute.

So if only on that basis, Topics at least represents a huge step in the right direction. Yes, by default some interest profiling remains. But the means of obtaining those significantly weakened profiles is no longer tracking. And users have complete visibility into their online profile and are able to curate, edit, and even delete any of it or all of it as they choose. So it's a compromise. But there are many websites begging for our support. My feeling is, if voluntarily letting them know something about who we are allows them to generate, as they claim, significantly more revenue from our visit, is that too high a price to pay? Again, it's an individual decision. But now, in a world with Topics, at least, it's one we're able to make.


Okay. So here's how Topics works. The essence of Topics are individual topic tokens - zero, one, or many - which are assigned to individual websites. For example, my GRC.com site might be associated with Computers and Electronics/Network Security, and Computers and Electronics/Programming, and Networking/Internet Security. So when someone visited GRC.com, their own web browser would record their interest in the topics associated with GRC.com, those topics, those three. But their visit to GRC.com itself would never be recorded other than in their regular local browser history as is always done. The only thing retained by the browser to indicate their interest in those topics would be those three numbered parameters.

For example, in Google's current 349-topic list, which they refer to as a "taxonomy," there's "Arts and Entertainment" as a general topic if nothing more specific is available. But then there's "Arts and Entertainment," and then under that "Acting and Theater," and "Comics," "Concerts and Music Festivals," "Dance," "Entertainment Industry," "Humor." And under "Humor" is the subtopic "Live Comedy." And it goes on like that with "Arts and Entertainment" having a total of 56 token entries before we switch to "Autos and Vehicles," which has 29 subcategories, which brings us to "Beauty and Fitness" and so on. You get the idea.

So here's how Google's specification explains this. They said: "The topics are selected from an advertising taxonomy. The initial taxonomy proposed for experimentation will include somewhere between a few hundred and a few thousand topics." They said: "Our initial design includes around 350." And I counted them, it's 349. "As a point of reference, the IAB Audience Taxonomy contains around 1,500 individual topics and will attempt to exclude sensitive topics." And they said: "We're planning to engage with external partners to help define this. The eventual goal is for the taxonomy to be sourced from an external party that incorporates feedback and ideas from across the industry."


Google explains: "The topics will be inferred by the browser. The browser will leverage a classifier model to map site hostnames to topics. The classifier weights will be public, perhaps built by an external partner, and will improve over time. It may make sense for sites to provide their own topics via meta tags, headers, or JavaScript, but that remains an open discussion for later."

SecurityNow #935 transcript

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago

The “No thanks” button should probably say “Fuck this”

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

I turned it off the first time I was asked. Something on my phone opened in Chrome, rather than Firefox, and this came up again with a different question. I was pretty sure I said no but wasn't convinced that what I had chosen was doing what I asked. Sure enough diving into settings it was enabled.

I've loved Chrome for years but this is bullshit. Firefox isn't perfect but I love that I can use uBlock Origin. Fuck Chrome.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Time to switch and start donating to Mozilla.

I was still using Chrome for some things at work, just because that's our assumed default, but I know enough to switch over there too now. Maybe I'll update the documentation to help other people switch too...

Insert "I'm doing my part" meme

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The fact that they want you to do this again every 4 weeks is downright laughable.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

The fact that anyone in /privacy/ uses any google products or services is also quite laughable.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

You’re in the wrong if you still have chrome installed.

Use Firefox now!

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

Definitely! I remember how awesome and exciting it was when Google was handing out all this great free stuff, before we learnt how we were paying for it.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

I deleted Chrome a couple of months ago. Haven’t missed it in the slightest.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

I love how they position it as a privacy feature, and then fail to explain how it does anything to increase privacy.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Are you really quit posting about a keylogger/distributed compute platform posing as a web browser like 10 years too late?

[-] cyborganism 18 points 4 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When was the last time Google made something objectively useful and not some ad bs?

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