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[–] nik282000 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I am having second hand experience this month with a 2024 RAV4 that has been valued (by the dealer that sold it) at 60% of the sticker price after 13 months and 12,000km.

[–] wise_pancake 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We just bought a new car and the guy who sells the warranties was going through how much it cost to replace things due to the electronics, and I just couldn't stop thinking it's it even worth the electronics then?

Obviously stuff is unavoidable, the airbags and seatbelt systems work together, that makes sense. But other stuff... Does the console need to be a full on network connected computer? I just want to play music and show maps from my phone. The different drive mode settings can be an internal rest API or physical buttons. Fuel efficiency displays are just simple polls to an internal rest API endpoint that any component could confirm to.

[–] nik282000 2 points 4 days ago

It's far worse than overcomplicated, it's negligently designed. The CAN bus is exposed through the exterior lighting in many new vehicles giving anyone with a $3 dongle access nearly all functions (door locks, alarm, engine control).

[–] adespoton 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wow… I know people who were on a waiting list for getting a 2024 RAV4, and just got it from the factory last month.

[–] nik282000 1 points 4 days ago

If it's a hybrid, maybe tell them to keep an eye on the 12v battery.