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You’re sure these are progressives? The group that have been trying to get their ideas enacted into law? Ideas like public education, healthcare, and liberty?
Democrat “ideas” seem to be giving Hitler Sudetenland and hoping he will be appeased. I could do with fewer of those “ideas.”
I'm glad you added the emphasis to trying so I didn't have to.
The only thing they're missing are seats and votes.
... Are you serious?
Democrats have been running on the 'Are you fucking insane!?!?' bandwagon for years, while progressives have been 'meh, why bother to vote for genocide Joe, I'm sure they're both the same'.
Lol, yes, that response from democrats to progressives who say our country is in crisis and needs bold change is why they're losing
You made that change, well chosen!
Enjoy the camps.
Lmao, I love how 8 months ago, liberals were swearing up and down that if they proposed any big policies or changes they'd lose moderate voters, and now 6 months later they're saying progressives fucked them for telling them they'd lose if they didn't
If I collaborate with the fascists like the liberals are i don't have to
Everyone assumed progressives weren't that impossibly stupid.
Just like we assumed conservatives could never be stupid enough to elect somebody as crazy as Trump.
Horseshoe theory wins again!
You don't even know what you're talking about, that's how childish you are, you think everyone who doesn't agree with everything you believe in are fascists.
Remember how after all of Stalin's purges and Hitler's Nazis being killed, we had 50 years of peace?
I suspect it's because all the assholes who don't let people have peace were dead.
I look forward to the 2050s through to the 2010s, when all you fuckers are out of everyone else's misery :)
Are you one of those 'progressives voted 3rd party or abstained' people, or are you a 'progressives killed momentum and caused normies to stay home' people? Because how I address you next really depends on where you land on the 'blame progressives' scale
Libs are desperate to believe that the actually-real conditions in the US are fine, if not great - and everyone flocking to the right and left of them is just because they're being propagandized by foreign adversaries and not due to any real systemic issue.
I guess I'd just float the possibility that maybe the reason populism is on the rise is because capitalist democracy is failing, and a growing majority of people have lost faith that democratic reform is possible at all. Democrats continually insisting that there is no actual crisis and we just need to calm down and return to a status-quo (or constantly telling us now is not the time for reform) is contributing to this voter apathy, even while they're screaming about the dangers of fascism (as absolutely real as they are).
No, I believe the people conducting genocide and throwing protestors in labor camps are fascists, and the white moderates in the 'opposition' party who feign outrage but can't be bothered to lift a finger to stop it are collaborators. I don't even think democrats need to adopt economic populist positions to win, really - they could start adopting the reactionary positions on the populist right, too, and maybe stand a chance (though it would be hard to out-reactionary Trump). The middle is just a hollowed out husk tho - if they stay there they'll never win again
Libs try beating the fascist collaborator accusations challenge, impossible
Both.
Conditions aren't great, but they're getting vastly worse under Trump, again.
You're just accelerationisting, which lead to Hitler taking power and sending all the accelerationists to camps, which is exactly what's happening now.
I escaped the vile filth of the south, and when the scum infected the rest of the country I escaped the country itself.
I get to watch America consume itself from afar.
You have self-righteousness that you were morally correct while people dared disagree with you.
I have the self-righteousness of watching the country burn from afar.
Let's see who wins in the end :)
I'm not advocating for voting against dems, i'm saying the democrats cannot win in the current political environment by being moderate. That has always been the message, but democrats insisted that they could win if they abandoned progressive causes. It's the same thing that has happened in every fascist uprising - the moderate party could no longer hold a majority because the majority of the country had fled the center.
It's not a sense of moral righteousness that you're seeing, it's indignation that liberals - who claimed to believe in the same things as their progressive base but refused to act on them - lost us the election because they'd rather continue collaborating with fascists and preserve a method of governance that caused our current situation than have to reckon with a base that was pleading them to do something substantial.
Democrats chose to say 'fuck off' to their base, and now their sycophants are really out there in the comments trying to blame everyone else
Scratch a liberal...
I voted against them, but if you are stupid enough to let them happen, I'm not standing in your way, I escaped to a safe country.
You had your chance, and fucked it.
This is the 'find out' phase.
"I'm safe, so as far as I care, everyone else can die."
Can't make this shit up...
Everyone else ate their own shit.
You can only stop them for so long.
Weird you think the "look how insane and fascist these people are" is a good campaign when your own party head is currently enabling genocide...
Like he could have just not done that, and Dems probably would have won. Continuing to shovel more bombs hoping some stern words would get the war criminals to change their minds was a stupid strategy. They made no change in their actions and hoped it would work out, despite knowing how unpopular that was
I swear to God. One day I'm gonna meet a "blue maga" democrat when we're both in one of Trumps death camps and they'll still be complaining about how leftist didn't vote hard enough. Meanwhile they'll have done nothing but say this same thing over and over again during the entire rise of fascism.
THE DEMOCRATS FAILED TO GET THE VOTES. THAT IS A FAILURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOT ANY VOTER BASE.
Holy shit. It's like people don't understand how voting works. If there were a lot of people that thought "meh they are the same" then THATS A FAILURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
More to the point, that rhetoric is in blatant bad faith.
Except they can't even be that honest; they'll say "BuT PrOgReSsIvEs CaN't WiN" without even the slightest hint of realization or self-reflection that the votes the progressive would be missing are theirs.
Fuckin' lying hypocrites, all of them.
To be fair, the last time the DNC got behind a progressive candidate for president, Nixon won like 48 states and it hasn't really recovered since. It's not hard to see why they are still in fear of that event. The issue seems to be the rotting shrubbery infesting politics from a lack of term limits.
We just have to tack hard to the right one more time and then it’ll be time for progressive policies. This time for reals. Pinky-swear.
You are shrooming, I'm not white, I got my family out to Europe before this nightmare happened.
I had 0 faith in the left to vote to stop the genocide of brown people at home, in favor of Russian trolls telling them they can't vote blue or they support a genocide somewhere else.
Morons fooled by 'look over there!'
But thankfully my family is safe, enjoy your camps, you will not be missed.
So you told people to vote Blue no matter who with the full knowledge that you had a privileged position of being able to literally move to another country. Cool. Thanks for your input.
Calling a genocide "look over there". Wow you're about as gross of a person as I'd expect for your brain dead takes. Thanks for verifying it.
You also didn't reply to anything I said. You're still trying to place collective blame in people making individual decisions to avoid placing blame on a literal political party who's job is to educate people to get their vote. They failed. Simple as that.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-05-05-2025-d22caabfd2cf89e83fe06e649e6438ba
Suck the genocide you enabled.
Not just there, but in America as well.
You have still not responded to anything I said mate.
But you continue to be gross. I really wish you would direct this anger at the party that completely failed America in offering any alternative to a genocide.
You failed America!
I lived in the south, I'm not white, and I don't want my mixed-race daughter being Raped to death by rednecks who had were bored on a weeknight.
Your privilege is unbelievable.
You gambled with other peoples' lives for your own self-righteousness, knowing if you lost it cost you nothing.
I genuinely believe you are just a sock puppet, I've never met an American who behaved anything like you, and I live in the bay area.
But if you are truly American, enjoy the camps.
Still have yet to respond to what I said. You're looking for someone to blame but refuse to direct that blame at a political party that failed you.
We're not getting anywhere in this conversation if you just keep ignoring that point and trying to avoid that by trying to appeal to your personal life.
You keep trying to make this about yourself or about me. This is about a failure of politicians you refuse to denounce in favor of critizing some imagined group of people with no power or influence.
The left failed, they failed America.
There is nowhere to go in this conversation, you're looking for a way to feel morally superior about a crime far away as you walk through mass graves you actually could have stopped.
You need to feel right, which is hilarious, I'm sure all those people being flown to El Salvador must be warmed by your self-righteousness.
How long can you blame some random stranger on the internet rather than address criticism of the Democratic party?
Somehow I have more power and influence than the Democratic party in your mind.
Blame the democrats?
It shouldn't have just been democrats fighting trumpism, it should have been everyone with any higher brain function.
How long can you literally blame democrats for everything? I say this as someone who only votes Democrat to fuck Republicans at every opportunity.
We need to brutalize Republicans, it should be a national hobby.
So the only other party in the US that has any ability to win the presidency is not primarily the one at fault for failing to win the presidency?
I'm just trying to figure out why there is no smoke in your mind for that failure of an opposition party but a ton of smoke for a small subset of the population that didn't vote for that same party that just spent months supporting a genocide.
Why is your anger directed so strongly at a small subset of the population that you seem to be using as a scapegoat?
Scapegoat?
They had one job, and they failed.
When things really mattered they let Russian narratives give them an excuse to hesitate.
This was important and we lost, now the whole country suffers.
As a patriot, that's why my anger is directed at them.
I expect no less of the south, I think they only picked Trump because there was nobody worse immediately available, no pedophile rapist murderers who were caught on video, I'm sure that's who they really wanted, they're beyond redemption and always have been.
The rest of the country has standards to uphold, and they failed.
Yes. The Democrats had one job and they failed. They lost to a historically unpopular candidate two times. That is a complete failure of the party and it's party leadership.
I don't care if the dems ran the corpse of Jimmy Carter.
It's Trump, everyone should have voted against him.
The only people who would suggest otherwise aren't angry about the democratic candidate, they just want to watch America suffer.
Ok then you're just delusional. The Democratic party should apparently not have to do anything except "not be Trump" in your eyes.
Well, we already knew that wasn't good enough in 2016. But they ran the same "I'm not trump" campaign in 2024 and lost again.
They had a blank slate with Harris and decided to run a campaign of "I'm just like Joe Biden". It was a disaster of a decision to do that. The democrats needed to differentiate her from Biden. That decision alone was massive massive failure by the campaign. It had far far more negative impact than any "progressive" criticism could ever do.
And even ignoring Harris the democrats literally thought they could run Joe Biden again when he was basically a corpse.
No, the democratic party can do anything it wants.
I vote against Republicans.
Always.
They need to be destroyed, they're evil, the remnants of slavers trying to bring back Jim crow.
I'm brown and had to live in the south before I escaped, many didn't survive.
We need to destroy southern culture utterly, as it's not only a truly great historic evil, it is literally the evil that inspired Hitler (as cited in mein kampf) and the nazis (as cited when writing the Nuremberg Laws).
You think yourself morally righteous, imagine for an instant how I feel.
You keep trying to make this personal and so there is really not much conversation to be had with you. I do empathize with you. I grew up in the deep South of Georgia myself. I too have an interracial daughter. So maybe if I give you a little bit of my personal perspective you might wake up a little.
You reference historical events. This is great. You're already on a good foundation for understanding what is going on. But you are still very much blindsided in loyalty to a party that does not represent your or my interest.
A party that has proven time and time again that they will abandon minorities or social justice for what they perceive (correctly mind you) as a right wing shift in American politics.
The Democratic party is adjusting to this shift towards fascism in an attempt to maintain their political power. They do not give a fuck about you. And constantly defending a party that is consistently moving this country towards the right because "it's not as bad for 4 years" is just no longer an excuse at this point.
I'd maybe understand that 10-15 years ago. But if you haven't seen exactly how the Democratic party has played a role in creating the situation we are in today then I don't think you're paying attention.
I am critical of the Democratic party BECAUSE I have absolutely no care to even consider the Republicans. They are a lost fascist cause and you are correct to be angry at them and their supporters.
But the Democrats need to be held accountable for their failures. There is a point when many of us realized the exact things I've said above and said "enough is enough" we must hold them accountable for their continuously right wing shift.
Harris literally ran an ad saying shed "build more wall". Like wtf. At what point do we not stand up to our own party?
That doesn't mesh with the expressed views of Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
What would you consider AOC? I would call her a progressive, but maybe the disconnect we're having is over definitions more than anything else.
What are democrats doing to stop Trump? Their official policy is to do nothing.