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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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[–] Rentlar 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

[–] sik0fewl 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.

Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.

Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.

[–] Pixel 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A Liberal leadership convention would require ~4-5 months. The Liberals would name an interim leader elected by caucus if JT steps down.

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[–] rabber 26 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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[–] Showroom7561 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

[–] Pixel 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.

Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.

It's the third party fallacy all over again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Maybe Turdeau should have fucking followed through on election reform like he promised then.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

[–] Pixel 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?

If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.

[–] honc 7 points 2 months ago

Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC

[–] SplashJackson 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?

Personally, that was a federal win for me.

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[–] nik282000 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

Works with every party.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.

Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.

[–] NotSteve_ 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.

Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

WTF is he thinking?

For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.

[–] floofloof 7 points 2 months ago

With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And that's worth a PP government? IMO he's lost the plot if that's his entire line of thinking.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'm torn on this.

On the one hand, I agree that a PP government is a terrible thing.

On the other hand, it's hardly the NDP's job to prop up another political party.

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[–] Kichae 6 points 2 months ago

WTF is he thinking?

"The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."

[–] NotSteve_ 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I hope so too but it doesn't really seem like a smart move since it'd make their threats seem empty (though actually going through with this isn't smart either...)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Well, memories tend to be short in politics, and even then it's only credibility-damaging if it gets called. If it was the conservatives I'd pretty much just assume it's a bluff.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

[–] psvrh 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

[–] Pixel 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin’s government.

Refusing to support a sitting government mired in scandal isn’t a stunt—it’s taking a stand. Calling an election wasn’t just the right thing to do; it was unavoidable after the Office of the Auditor General laid bare the extent of corruption. This wasn’t a minor misstep—it was a government blatantly diverting public funds to secure its own re-election. Propping up such a government would have been a betrayal of public trust.

Pinning the blame on Layton because the only viable alternative brokerage party to form government was the Conservative Party is absurd. That’s not on him; it’s on the corrupt Liberal party establishment of the time for destroying their own credibility. A lot of voters are only used to the reformed Liberal Party under Trudeau, but there was a point in time where the Liberal party apparatus was very different.

Let’s be clear: the fault lies with those who abused their power, not with those who refused to stand by and enable it. Misrepresenting this as opportunism is a deliberate distortion of the facts, designed to deflect attention from the real issue—a government that deserved to fall. Just admit you're pro-corruption and move on.

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[–] rbesfe 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.

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[–] Sunshine 7 points 2 months ago

Please don’t do it Mr Singh.

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