This was always the truth of it. The FBI was always the organization the people in power wanted it to be. They love that the FBI takes the blame for their policies.
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
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CIA, too. I thought they sort of just did their own thing and aren't really beholden to the president. People think the CIA is such a rogue organization that some people have suggested they killed JFK because he sought to shrink the org and make them more accountable. Seems unlikely, though, since apparently all it takes to completely take it over is just to change around some personnel.
Like, my head cannon is that the new leaders would be figureheads only and that there'd be someone secretly chosen to keep things running behind closed doors and pulling the real CIA strings to resist such changes (and maybe have an encore, pretty please?), but that's based on nothing at all. I'm no fan of the CIA or anything, but I do fear what such a shadowy government org might do when wielded by Trump cronies even more than the stuff they usually get up to.
If tou look into the plans and wacky shit the CIA has tried to do over the years, you realize they are just daycare for Ivy League grads. They are absolutely useless at anything beyond intelligence gathering
It's true, but intelligence and counterintelligence is kind of their whole thing, isn't it? They've certainly had a long list of laughable fuckups, like their many failed assassination attempts on Castro, the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, Iran-Contra, etc., but they've also successfully toppled governments in South/Central America, the Caribbean, the Middle East, Asia, etc. Apparently they've made at least 70 attempts at regime change since the end of the Cold War, according to Wikipedia. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the CIA as a non-threat, personally, especially if they're going to be following the malevolent orders of a Trump loyalist. I fear the CIA will turn more inwardly to our own country and use their efforts against US citizens (more than usual, that is), specifically against those who would oppose a Trump regime.
We already saw FBI agents engaging in 60s-and-70s-style surveillance of BLM activists in 2020, where they and other feds went around in unmarked vans snatching random activists off the street and traded literal baseball cards they made about different individual activists for fun. Those feds were also sent in at the express direction of Trump. With that in mind, I have no doubts the CIA would do the same in heartbeat. I know they already conduct domestic surveillance operations, but I'd predict a substantial increase in that under the current administration, especially given the ways things have been going after only the first couple weeks with Trump demanding absolute fealty throughout the government and vilifying all opposition. It's just frightening that Trump had a ready-made intelligence org that was so easily converted to his agenda and seems poised to be his personal secret police. I think that's probably even scarier than the CIA of old. At least for right now, I might somehow prefer a CIA that says, "Sorry, Mr. President, but we don't follow orders."
Since 9/11, the FBI just wastes resources tricking vulnerable people with terrorism entrapment schemes.
Before 9/11, it was a lot of drug entrapment schemes, like the one they tried on DeLorean. While they enjoy McCarthy style entrapment of high-profile celebrities and such, they figured out it was better for their careers to go after people without the means to fight the charges. So they convince an innocent (and often mentally disabled) person to participate in a terror attack they’re planning, get them to agree to a plea deal, build a resume of successful convictions, and there’s less public scrutiny when it’s found out the whole thing is just another illegal entrapment.
Overall, they’re still following the Hoover handbook. Still targeting activists and minorities for illegal surveillance. I’d be shocked if they’ve suddenly decided to stop assassinating or imprisoning those activists they perceive to be a threat.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/19/fbi-surveillance-black-lives-matter-protesters-00097924
Just to nitpick, the CIA is more the "topple governments" organization.
I am sure the FBI is involved, but their operations are primarily internal affairs. It's like MI5 and MI6 in the UK.
The CIA topples foreign governments.
The FBI topples progressive movements within the US.
Tbf they also target white supremacist organisations within the US.
Targeted.
They did not seem to be very effective when it came to white supremicists...
By targeted, they meant "targeted for recruitment"
Yeah…and they’re being threatened too.
I wonder if they’d ever consider the White House to be a foreign government to topple.
When I heard about the targeted moves against the FBI by DOGE, I got to thinking that the FBI is not the sort of organization you want to anger if you have skeletons in your closet. And even if you don't, they'll put one there to find.
But I'm worried we're already at the point where the entire agency can be discredited (not entirely undeservedly) just because President Cheeto and Supreme President Musk could label any findings as "fake news" and the majority of Americans would take it as fact.
They could be the SA to whatever SS the Trump admin wants to replace them with (the Proud Boys?)
Didn't a black church get the rights to that name? 🤣
It’s like MI5 and MI6 in the UK.
OOOOohhhh that's their difference. I never really bothered to check. Did know the difference for CIA and FBI though, but this I somehow thought of less idk
If you want more info about some other Anglosphere countries and their comparable organizations, along with a healthy dose of "Wait what the hell are these governments doing", the Five Eyes article on Wikipedia has a helpful table of its member states and their respective intelligence apparati.
Thanks. Yeah I got most of them down, but that just sort of slipped through some of the filters and I've just never given concious thought to the difference even though I've watched like idk a dozen shows in the previous year about MI5 and MI6 and whatnot. I've literally just ignored it. But then when I hear things like "the KSK" I have to look them up (Kommando Spezialkräfte) once in a while.
Now I've been watching Jack Ryan, then earlier this year was "The Agency" and then theres the very british "Slow Horses" with Gary Oldman 9/10. I don't only watch shows like that but sometimes when I get into a mood I watch all them at once . Currently I'm more into WWII British war stories but I've like seen all them from Colditz to Dunkirk
edit dogs -> horses
Yeah, this meme is just a glimpse at my external view of the events. To me the CIA, the FBI and those kind of agencies are just lumped together. Appreciated the info tho
I mean, that nice and all but it’s just flat out nonsense. That’s not how the two alphabet agencies operate. It’s not a “vibes” based matter of opinion… Understanding how things actually work matters.
FBI = domestic
CIA = foreign
MIB = Intergalactic
Pretty sure it's just interstellar. Or did they ever mention other galaxies?
We're in a galaxy marble, mate, how could there be any others?
The intelligence agencies aren't interested in protecting this country anymore.
It's too easy to just suck billionaire cock.
anymore
Point to the moment in history when intelligence agencies were interested in protecting anyone worth less than $10M.
In meetings, the Justice Department and senior F.B.I. officials agreed that making the Clinton Foundation investigation public could influence the presidential race and suggest they were favoring Mr. Trump. . . . They agreed to keep the case open but wait until after the election to determine their next steps. The move infuriated some agents, who thought that the F.B.I.’s leaders were reining them in because of politics.
Its the same FBI. They're a pile of writhing fascist maggots, all too eager to get back to their COINTELPRO days of breaking the knees of union organizers, torching the homes of civil rights activists, and padding their wallets with protection money from the New York Mafia.
The MAGA is coming from inside the J. Edgar Hoover Building.
Also 1980s: providing some C4 to bomb a black apartment block in in Philadelphia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
Can't even coup venezuela these days lol
(Also murders and discredits civil rights activists in the 60s-80s, so that’s a thing to keep in mind…)
Oh, yeah, I definitely ain't supporting their actions this way. It's just funny seeing a coup happen in public and them doing nothing
The people who are doing the coup are aligned with the historical practices of the FBI so it makes perfect sense to me.
I think that extends to America generally, all the talk of freedom and equality and now so easily camps are being set up to concentrate undesirable groups of people in and everyone is complying or pretending it's not happening.
I don't know how much help we can expect from FBI and law enforcement. There was a bill a few years back proposing an investigation to see how deep white supremacy had penetrated law enforcement and the military. EVERY Republican representative voted it down.
🤔
We can expect zero. The FBI has a long history of suppressing the civil rights movement and other progressive causes.
Yes but this is not a move to increase civil rights within a still recognisable political system it seems to be the openly declared transition from a democracy to something else via an explorative but expanding coup that is being actively ignored by the sitting powers and wider population.
Democracy was always a roadblock to the FBI's goals of suppressing people anyway.
What comes for people today will come for them tomorrow.
FBI should kill elon
Should, but won't. They only do that to progressives.
Careful, maybe disappear him to some black site