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    [–] [email protected] 110 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Just my two cents but as others have said, not being publically traded helps a lot. The focus on short term benefits that come with shareholders stops "master plans" when they come with mistakes. Learning from relative failures, like the steam controller and the like, ultimately contributes to major successes like the steam deck. Being able to stay committed to improving the software experience over time, instead of killing the product when it didn't immediately succeed, is fairly rare in the tech industry. And in all honesty, it would be better if they released a polished profuct, but being committed to it made it a success.

    I feel like the pressure to have a majorly successful product day one means that smaller companies can't innovate the way they want to, so they have to find other ways to produce revenue. Huge companies, like Apple can afford to do both but still stumble, like with the vision pro. Maybe it'll be a success, but for now its not great and iteration makes it more difficult to maintain the original vision.

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    [–] [email protected] 386 points 1 day ago (12 children)

    Honestly, the secret is not being a publicly traded company. All the others have to make the shareholders happy while steam just does steam. If the line doesn't have to constantly go up you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as you're still making profit. And if what you're doing is already working you don't need to add gimmicks or advertisements to milk it as much as you can just to appease the shareholders.

    [–] [email protected] 211 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Being a private company has allowed Valve to take some really big swings. Steam Deck is paying off handsomely, but it came after the relative failure of the Steam Controller, Steam Link and Steam Machines. With their software business stable, they can allow themselves to take big risks on the hardware side, learn what does and doesn't work, then try again. At a publically traded company, CEO Gabe Newell probably gets forced out long before they get to the Steam Deck.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

    The steam controller didn't really fail, but the patent fight was a mess that took way too long (much too late disqualified patent over paddle buttons). That sucked a lot of energy out of the project. Don't forget the steam deck kept those touch pads (although with a different design)!

    Steam Link IMHO also wasn't bad, but there didn't seem to be much interest in it then. (interestingly enough I think it could be recreated today in a Chromecast-like form factor)

    Stream machines was definitely a big mess however, there just wasn't enough interest, too limited compatibility, the machines just wasn't versatile enough for average Joe to pay for one.

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    [–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Man Intel are so dumb for firing Pat. And they did it while seeing positive reviews for their second gen GPUs!

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

    That's just what happens to CEOs of publicly traded companies when they have a bad year. And Intel had a really bad year in 2024. I'm certainly hoping that their GPUs become serious competition for AMD and Nvidia, because consumers win when there's robust competition. I don't think Pat's ousting had anything to do with GPUs though. The vast majority of Intel's revenue comes from CPU sales and the news there was mostly bad in 2024. The Arrow Lake launch was mostly a flop, there were all sorts of revelations about overvolting and corrosion issues in Raptor Lake (13th and 14th gen Intel Core) CPUs, broadly speaking Intel is getting spanked by AMD in the enthusiast market and AMD has also just recently taken the lead in datacenter CPU sales. Intel maintains a strong lead in corporate desktop and laptop sales, but the overall trend for their CPU business is quite negative.

    One of Intel's historical strength was their vertical integration, they designed and manufactured the CPUs. However Intel lost the tech lead to TSMC quite a while ago. One of Pat's big early announcements was "IDM 2.0" ("Integrated Device Manufacturing 2.0"), which was supposed to address those problems and beef up Intel's ability to keep pace with TSMC. It suffered a lot of delays, and Intel had to outsource all Arrow Lake manufacturing to TSMC in an effort to keep pace with AMD. I'd argue that's the main reason Pat got turfed. He took a big swing to get Intel's integrated design and manufacturing strategy back on track, and for the most part did not succeed.

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    You are right, but let me add that Gabe knows that being tied to Windows is not a good idea, as he worked there and understood that they would block Steam if they could.

    Valve supporting 'their' alternative OS, away from Microsoft (and Apple) or any other direct competitor in gaming is the only way to survive.

    It's not like they pour all that money into Linux from the goodness of their heart. They need their own OS just as much as the Linux desktop community needs some stable funding.

    Given how Valve lets children gamble with skins, I'm not sure how moral that company really is.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

    man, i hope that Microshaft blocks steam. That would send so many people to lunix.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Agreed, but if I'd had the money at the time, I absolutely would've jumped at the steam machine and steam controller. I want a modern one now more than ever. If it weren't for parts getting shittier and pricier, I'd probably build one myself this spring/summer and figure out which distro would be best for it. My steam deck is great and I want basically the exact same thing but more powerful at the cost of not being a handheld. Bonus points if I can easily remote play that new steam machine through my steam deck, which I think is a reasonable expectation. And I'd love to run an HDMI out splitter to easily swap between using it as a PC at my desk or using it as a console from my couch.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    If you buy parts that are a couple of generations older there is absolutely a middle ground between the ridiculous new GPUs and the steam deck on performance, that you could probably build for a similar price to the deck. I would aim for an AM4 build to take advantage of how cheap ddr4 RAM is, with a 3xxx or 5xxx Ryzen CPU. Something like the 3080 is a great card for a cheap price but I personally would go for an AMD card. A few hundred extra (again in AUD) gets you a good 7800XT which is a pretty damn beefy card, but might be better to drop down a couple of models to save on power consumption.

    Going even further, you can take someone's ATX PC secondhand, swap out the motherboard for a smaller form factor and slap it in a little case.

    As for OS, if you want it to be exactly like the deck you could run Bazzite, but SteamOS is either available, or about to be available.

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    [–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

    And also not be backed by venture capital firms expecting to make infinite profits. Private or Public, if the company shareholder's only goal is to continue to receive 10% gains on their investment after already making back 20x their principal, they'll squeeze the company for all it's worth.

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    [–] [email protected] 82 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Private company with long-term strategy VS public company chasing short-term profits to pump stock prices for shareholders.

    [–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    That's the primary reason I abhor the stock market. It no longer works for the creator/owner or the customers at all. It simply feeds the greed of the wealthy (special call-out to private equity here).

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

    Yeah, the flaw there is that money can flow into and out of the stock market basically instantly, so you always have to manage their expectations to make sure your price doesn't crash.

    [–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago

    "Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake."

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    [–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    I can't really get my head around why people dislike Gabe Newell. As best I can tell, he's been a fantastic steward for Steam.

    [–] CileTheSane 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Gabe Newell has a net worth of $9.5 billion and there is no such thing as an ethical billionaire. Steam is great and as long as the company behaves well there's no reason not to use it, but billionaires are not your friends.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

    They are some rare cases where someone becomes a billionaire because something suddenly took off.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    Had she not went TERF, JK Rowling would be next to Gabe.

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    [–] CileTheSane 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

    Even then, a person can survive just fine with $900 million dollars, and $100 million to the right charity can do a world changing amount of good.

    There are no ethical billionaires.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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    [–] cyberpunk007 11 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    Sort of agree but look how much he's done for Linux gaming. Also the steam deck was well thought out and designed to be user serviceable.

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Just wait till he dies and the next person in charge decides to go public to make a quick buck. That'll begin the immediate enshitification of Steam. How many years do we got till he croaks? Ten? Fifteen? Better hope we have a better alternative before then.

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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Ah, so that's who this guy is. Thanks! Tbh I had no clue and thought it might be George R. R. Martin.

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    [–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago

    I’m not quite sure they have β€œdone nothing”. They have made a digital storefront that other storefronts strive for, they have help with Linux compatibility with windows only games, have released a few bits of awesome hardware every now and then. I think this is what happens when you are not beholden to shareholders and the mantra β€œmake line go up at all costs”

    [–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (8 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago

    Being a private company, it's what it is called

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Ultimately it's a slow and steady strategy. There goal is long term profitability, not short term gains. In the long term, the best strategy is not to piss off your customers.

    The advantage of this is that it can snowball to impressive levels. At least until a exec with more education than brains does a pump and run on it. A mistake steam seems to know to avoid.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I'm not looking forward to what happens to steam post-gaben. I expect a stupid successor to IPO and fuck it all up.

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    [–] Rentlar 23 points 1 day ago

    They were not liked at first, but they've spent enough time making money while not pissing people off that they are doing far better than every public company who must find a reason to piss people off to be more profitable.

    They've been able to use that time to "cook". Valve time has been known to be within its own dimension, but from that we got Linux to be just click start and play for 90% of games like Windows, and with the Steamdeck a powerful, comfortable, DIY-able handheld PC gaming device.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    You'd think it wouldn't be that hard for publishers with billions of dollars to hire enough competent devs for enough time to make a halfway decent storefront, especially when they don't even have to reinvent the wheel on a lot of UX and marketing research that's already been done for them by Steam existing as long as it's had.

    That none of them have even come close to that is a monument to their incompetence.

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

    Large companies do not generally innovate. Their internal inertia prevents them from successfully creating new things. Also the larger a company gets, the more layers of brainless MBA parasites latch on to suck them dry.

    Large companies rely on purchasing innovation by buying up a never ending stream of smaller companies. They then take the ideas/products and launch them to a wider market.

    Steam has remained small by rejecting massive buyout offers. This has allowed them to remain innovative.

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