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cross-posted from: https://gregtech.eu/post/7570120

Title. It seems like the police just chose a random person to have someone to prosecute.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I don't have an opinion on if he was the shooter. I do have the opinion that the shooter is an American hero though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

No I don't believe he is the shooter, even if he is the shooter he should be found not guilty. Those CEOs caused millions of deaths with their denial claims, that man got what he had coming "unfortunately. "

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

He may have pulled the trigger but Brian Thompson loaded the gun

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

I believe he deserves a presumption of innocence as is his constitutional and human right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Probably, judging from his responses, but the courts can figure it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can't be. I was with him at the time of the murder.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Me too! What a great time we all had not doing murder.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I believe he was the shooter, and that he should be found not guilty.

[–] shutz 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unlikely, but there's always jury nullification. Which I just realized would be recorded as a "not guilty" verdict, though the implication is "he did it, but we think it's OK"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

iirc jury nullification doesn't always stick because they can declare a mistrial if it seems fishy.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Call me jaded but I am not predisposed to take the NYPD at their word.

People seem to forget about the innocent until proven guilty part, the raw amount of perjury with the theater surrounding this person is mind-numbing. If he makes it out of this he will be come a billionaire out of defamation alone, almost all mainstream news sources treated his guilt as a foregone conclusion with barely an "allegedly" in sight.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

No, but it doesn't really matter. The government has selected its scapegoat. I just hope that the jurors understand what jury nullification is before they go in. Gawd knows the courts don't want anyone funding out.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

Not guilty regardless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Anything is possible

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Likely him IMO. Very unlikely that they'll be able to go through a highly-publicized trial with broad support for him and pin the wrong guy, so my general attitude is "let's see what happens"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

That’s exactly how I feel.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Doesn't matter. He did nothing worth punishing in any regard.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

Whoever it was is a hero

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It’s really funny how people started off saying as a joke it wasn’t him/eyebrows look different, as a sort of protest against his arrest.

And then people started to take the jokes seriously, and now we have a massive conspiracy theory that like a third of people on lemmy believe it isn’t him, lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The first pic of the person actually at the scene of the crime looks significantly less like Mangione than the other ones. I don't believe it's a coincidence they stopped showing those once they had their sights set on a suspect. I don't think it was a joke that people were saying that very first picture looked different.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Why are you so sure that people said it as a joke at first?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Wellllll, if I was on the jury, I would be able to be convinced by evidence that he did it. Still wouldn't go along with conviction, but that's a different thing.

That being said, assuming all information publicly available is true, then he probably did it, or did it alongside someone with the plan of him taking the blame.

But that is the assumption that would have to be made, and I don't assume that. I assume that the prosecution has to make a jury believe it. I'm damn near absolutist about not making a final judgement on my end until the person has had their day in court. Since it's a fact that police can, will, and have manipulated evidence, have gained false convictions because of it, and sometimes prosecutors will go along with that, there has to be something a lot more definitive than what's been shown in this case for me to state that he did it.

Since this was a high profile murder, the stakes are high enough that it is entirely possible for there to have been collusion between law enforcement agencies to rush a suspect into custody and fake a case around them. That's as the extreme end of possibility to the extent that I seriously doubt it, but it's possible.

So, the real answer is that I don't believe much of anything about the case. If I believe something about it, that's a matter of faith, not fact, and I simply don't have enough facts that are proven to my satisfaction. I can still admit that he's probably the guy, but that's beside the point.

Thing is, in full transparency, the only thing the killer (be it Mr Mangione or someone else) did wrong was taking out just one target, or the wrong target, depending on how you look at it. A CEO is just a sock puppet for a board of directors and majority shareholders most of the time. Killing a CEO is like killing the sergeant of a unit; it'll disrupt things, but it isn't crippling. There's still generals giving the same orders, and then have a new flunky in place in no time. A CEO is just the easier target because there's only one of them.

You want to disrupt a major company like United, you have to go after more than one piece of the apparatus.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck no! Clearly just a scapegoat

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah. So let me get this right, this dude planned everything, but didn't throw away any proof. Instead he kept every single thing on him, even with a note about how he doesn't want to cause the police much trouble, but once he's caught he denies everything? Wat?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

^ this is why education is important. Please learn about your country's punitive systems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Where has he denied doing the shooting? He's pled not guilty to specific charges like first degree murder and terrorism; that doesn't preclude him from having done the shooting in question.

The former and latter behaviour also occurred before and after receiving legal advice, respectively.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Meh. A bad dude died. The bad dude's actions resulted on the order of at least >1 death/ day. If not for their death, we couldn't be having this broader conversation on what we can do to "solve" the billionaire problem. Even if it involves the sacrifice of one innocent person, its probably all been worth it, and will continue to be if the pattern continues.

losing two peoples < losing many people + starting a broader movement

Its a net gain regardless.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

A better argument would be Blue Cross Blue Shield immediately changing a controversial policy afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't have any reason not to?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That's not how it works though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

He's just a dude, not a government judicial system

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

How does "it" work, exactly? Should I work under the assumption that everyone who is accused of a crime is innocent?

Why lie about it? You really think with the infinite resources available to the gov that they couldn't figure out who shot a CEO on a busy NYC street in broad daylight?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You really think with the infinite resources available to the gov that they couldn’t figure out who shot a CEO on a busy NYC street in broad daylight?

You really think that the infinite (human) resources in the gov care about putting the effort to find the actual shooter, when they can just manipulate all media and make the scapegoat feel real?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again, I ask:

Why lie about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When you have a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail.

When selling a lie is the skill an org has put the most XP in, that's what they seek to do first.

Also, I see some group of competitors finding out that the guy had some plan to get on top and decided to off him first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When you have a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail.

I don't think you understand this analogy. There is a nail. You're suggesting they're driving the nail into the wrong board on purpose for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Let's go by: Because they didn't learn to use a screw driver properly, they went with the hammer.

Also, alternatively, if the "competitor's job" assumption is correct, then of course they want to keep the actual actors out of the investigation and away from media.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Should I work under the assumption that everyone who is accused of a crime is innocent?

Innocent until proven guilty is what the law is SUPPOSED to do. I personally think he did it, but shouldn't be punished.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No one asked about the law. They asked what I believe.