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Europe and Ukraine are learning how little the U.S. cares, as the new president aligns himself with their greatest enemy.

The thing about a war is it forces people to pick a side. And Donald Trump, it seems to many in Europe, is siding with Vladimir Putin. 

Seven days of presidential interventions in the Russia-Ukraine conflict have made real the nightmares of Ukrainians and many of their allies, upending the transatlantic relationship that has underpinned European security since 1945.

If there were any lingering doubts about the extent of Trump’s willingness to make enemies in Europe, he ended it Tuesday night when he blamed Ukraine for having “started” the war with Russia. Such blatant defiance of the fact of Putin’s unprovoked invasion three years ago shocked even America’s most loyal friends in the region. 

“Jesus,” one British government official said privately in response to the president’s outburst. 

“We now have an alliance between a Russian president who wants to destroy Europe and an American president who also wants to destroy Europe,” another European diplomat observed in recent days, declining to be identified discussing sensitive matters. “The transatlantic alliance is over.”

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Going to doubt this one.

Trump is Putin's ally. America is not Trump.

[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If America is going to continue to be not Trump, it's going to have to move fast.

With Musk threatening 60 Minutes staffers with prison and Trump taking over the FCC, it's already moving into the official government-controlled media stage, and when (if) significant protests start happening, it's going to quickly move into the gulags and mass graves stage.

And then, for all intents and purposes, the US will be Trump, like it or not.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

If America is going to continue to be not Trump, it's going to have to move fast.

So far, their checks & balances have been failing, unfortunately. Something about corruption in DOJ in recent news, leaves me very worried about the last Pillar. I hope the US citizens from both parties make it a democracy again: by the people for the people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope the American people abandon both parties.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

That’s what has to happen in order to recover from what trump is doing to this country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The US citizens need to arm up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Wrong. America wasn't Trump in 2012. I would even argue America wasn't Trump in 2016. They were dumb, naive, optimistic, victims of thr EC... Pick your excuse. America wasn't Trump in 2020.

Then they saw the insurrection, the nuclear secrets in the bathroom, the 11k votes mafia extortion, the sexual abuse liability, the racism, the criminal convictions, (let alone the whole first presidency dumpster fire) and on the other hand eggs were a bit expensive and they went with trump. En masse.

And now trump has the highest approval ratings, north of 50% even.

That excuse has sailed, America IS trump. Not everyone is, but enough are.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They did elect Trump to speak and act on their behalf tho

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Correct. Technically: 22.7% of the total populace voted for Trump. 32.2% of the eligible voters. 49.8% of the cast votes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Trmps favorability ratings are actually rising. He's about to cross his unfavorability rating and become net favorable.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

Not a good look, America.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago

But Trump is America's government.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago

It’s an unstable country that enabled this to happen. Yes, there are a lot of people who would never do this awful shit but, sorry, this is what the US is and largely has been.

Trump is a symptom, it was the institution that is US and many of its people that allowed to get into power. You can’t just pin it on him and then when he eventually(please let it be soon) dies act like anything is fixed. The US is putin’s ally and there are many unfortunate people along for the ride. That is a truth you need to face or nothing will ever get better.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Trump's friendship with Putin is not fresh news and American voters have not given a shit

In Iran there are also people who love democracy, but I am sorry to say that, just like in America, they are a minority.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

It’s painful to say, but it’s true until Congress or SCOTUS end his consolidated power executive order. Until then, our entire government is complicit.

[–] cygnus 8 points 2 days ago

Really? That's odd, because he seems to be doing anything he wants right now, and no one is stopping him.

[–] adarza 5 points 2 days ago

america needs to dump trump, and fast. right now, HE 'is' america, and until the rest of america sheds themselves of him and the maga cult, ~~america~~the world is fucked.

[–] ehpolitical 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's enough room on this planet for everyone, which rightly belongs to everyone, yet everyone's at the mercy of a self-entitled few who want it all for themselves. Like, piss off already.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The planet rightfully belongs to no one. None of us deserve it.

[–] ehpolitical 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I believe it was gifted to us, to sustain us, all of us... but have to agree we no longer deserve it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Gifted? Lol we randomly evolved. There's no gift, we just grew from monkeys and because it existed. What kind of religious BS is that

[–] ehpolitical 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You addressed me, I responded... not to flatter you, but with my honest answer. If that doesn't suit you, by all means carry on chatting with someone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, I don't take it friendly when someone responds"the earth is flat" or anti-science posting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Then access to the Earth's natural resources is our natural right, not a god-given right.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump has always been Putin’s puppet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When Trump couldn't get a loan from US banks in the '90s he took real estate investment funding from Russian oligarchs, he's been in their pocket since the same year Dr Dre released The Chronic and the collapse of the USSR

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Even before that. By some accounts, he was already in the pockets of the KGB in 1987.

[–] Doubleohdonut 5 points 2 days ago

Agreed. This is not NEWs

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So.. does Europe even get a fighting chance or can Putin just go “Imma nuke whoever moves a finger” and Trump just responds with “sucks to be EU”?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The UK and France have nukes too. I’m of the opinion that Europe could handle Russia in current state as they’re weak thanks to this war, but that also depends on how much help, either direct or indirect, Trump is willing to give Russia. China too, for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China will rather take a good bite out of outer Manchuria, traditional Chinese clay. There's a reason they've been making so much noise about Taiwan and the South China Sea and it is not because they want you to look anywhere else. Might not even want to keep it, would be a nightmare to administer and justify, but having all of Russia east of the Ural turn into a couple of Mongolias would very much be in their favour. Mongolia is open for business and not a headache for them.

And if taking out imperial Russia finally gets them out of their "century of humiliation" stroppiness then I'm all for it. Oh, and Russia falling is of course also more than welcome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

When peace finally returns, a Trans-Siberian Railway upgraded to Chinese Belt And Road high-speed standards will be an improvement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The UK ones are in a wierd rental deal where if I remember correctly the us holds at least 1 of the keys

Edit for a link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68357294

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The "rental" part of the deal is that we leased the missiles from America and pay an American company to maintain them. Once they're fitted with a warhead (done in Britain) and loaded aboard the sub, though, they can be fired with literally no outside participation. Being a submarine-based deterrent as it is, they kinda have to be able to operate independently from anything on the land, British government included.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I stand corrected. I'm clearly misremembering. It was around 2014 when the subject was last at the fore front of my mind. For some odd reason

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Actually, unofficially, there are more of these kinds. It's a public secret now anyways. Wait, I don't know about the keys though..

Not talking about subs,but the payload.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

EU can deal with Russia alone well enough. Assuming US doesn't come in on Russia side of course.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Agreed. I hope it doesn't take Europe until the Mediterranean is blocked off by US warships to understand the US is neither a friend, nor neutral, in this. "Trade" just doesn't cut it for them anymore, they are going for the land grab.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

They have the economic and military capabilities. It's a lack of courage and genuine desire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

The transatlantic alliance is now Canada-EU, & US-Russia.

It's still trans-atlantic, but .. it's just that "now there are two of them"

( insert meme of those obsidian-colored "aliens" actors )

The only question remaining is .. with Orban IN the EU, & openly enemy of civil-rights & the EU,

AND the EU's countries apparently courting Millei??


( snappy TV jingle, here )

WILL the EU survive as a civil-rights aligned entity,

XOR will it "obey the zeitgeist" & obey the fascist-global-alliance?

Humankind wants to know!

Stay tuned, for next-week's installment in "how much hell can be established on Earth THIS week?(tm)", the global reality-TV program which some hope NONE of us will survive!

( insert jingle here )

/s

_ /\ _

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Musk's America. Trump is an impotent CEO, answerable to Chairman of the Board of the USA Elon Musk. At least, that's what it looked like to me in the Hannity interview. And once Musk deposes Trump, things are gonna get darker fast.

Obviously, I hope I'm wrong, this is all speculation, but holy shit this looks ugly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Board of the UZA*

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does EM even have an opinion about Russia and Ukraine conflict? I highly doubt it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

LOL do you not think there is an extraordinary amount of power, capital, and resources to be gained by inserting himself into the negotiations? Gimme a break. This guy has been broadcasting exactly who he is, it's time people start believing him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He's been low key rooting for russia, which makes sense as he is a racist oligarch.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Donald's ghostwriter penning "Mein Trumpf" as we speak

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is part of the billionaire Network State global plan in the works. They took over the U.S., they want to break up the E.U.’s power, then weaken any country that will stand up to billionaires in any regulatory capacity. The rise of the right has just been a convenient mechanism to enact their power grab. The rich want to weaken all nation state power so they can be untethered by any power to counteract their will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

That reminds me the man in the high castle