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The EU foreign policy chief has declared that “the free world needs a new leader”, as European leaders threw their support behind Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after the stunning White House confrontation between him and Donald Trump.

Leaders from across Europe expressed their solidarity with the Ukrainian leader after the fractious exchange with JD Vance, the US vice-president, and Trump, who claimed he was not “ready for peace” and accused him of “gambling with world war three”.

Although in general, the European leaders did not name the US president, their comments late on Friday laid bare the gaping rift between the US and its traditional allies in Europe over the war in Ukraine.

In a social media post, Kaja Kallas, the EU high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, wrote: “Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor.

“Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

In a way jt is fascinating to watch the US goverment dismantle their empire on fast forward. With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.

Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 55 minutes ago

With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.

I disagree. If it was a single conversation the world would be shocked but they could still cover it up. Politicians say dumb shit and walk it back all the time.

It's the fact that his first term was already such a blundering mess in terms of diplomacy, combined with the fact that he somehow got re-elected, the accelerating bullshit ever since and now finally this mess. If they hadn't been chipping away at any international goodwill so thoroughly, the response would be closer to "I can't believe a US president would say that" rather than "the US as a whole is no longer reliable".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago

Deep state is having a nap I guess.

I don't mean that facetiously, honestly surprised the CIA is just chill with everything.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 hours ago

Hungary's Orban stands alone with Trump, as Europe unites behind Ukraine.

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't "mount support" instead of "throw" have been a better choice of words? Writing style aside, I hope Europe gets together and pushes the Ruzzians out of Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

I'm hoping Ukr gets an EU membership out of this at the minimum. They're going to be blocked from NATO by US and Turkeye

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

"Its a nation of tiny trumps, that would fuck their own mothers if it got a rich man's grin." I believe I read on reddit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Are they going to send European weapons, or will they buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago

Each will send their old or excess stock, or newly manufacturer weapons.

Some of the old stock may include weapons bought from the US previously, but it's very unlikely Europeans will be buying new weapons and supplies from US to give to Ukraine. France, Germany Italy, Spain and the UK all have significant arms manufacturing ability and have ability to scale up quickly. (Reference)

Many European leaders (including business leaders) are extremely reticent to enter into new supply deals of any kind with the US given the recent trade volatility.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's crazy. So americans are full on terrorists now? They should be put on a flight risk list so no one has to deal with them except themselves

[–] Sturgist 5 points 5 hours ago

That'll trap vulnerable people in the States, potentially to be lynched. Much as I would love to support a blanket, don't allow crazy out of crazytown, there's sane people trapped there that should be allowed to flee.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Trump just proved that he isn't even capable of running a meeting, much less a country.

Even if we ignore everything else about Trump, scandals, history, etc. that meeting alone showed he is incapable of meeting the requirements of the office.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

symptoms of alzheimer should be showing up soon like his father.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Wdym "soon". They've been visible for a while now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

This is exactly what my great grandma went through

[–] [email protected] 108 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

This is what REAL strength looks like...not the pseudo-macho bullshit that Trump and Vance just tried to pull.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Do these imbeciles realize that they are making America look the weakest it’s ever been? No they don’t because they’re a bunch of dumbasses.

[–] Showroom7561 13 points 5 hours ago

Weak, untrustworthy, and difficult to even be allies with.

There are very few, if any, world leaders who acted as unhinged as dumb and dumber did.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

More than weakness, it stinks of incompetence. Vance was obviously there to start a fight to make Zelensky look bad so they could leverage him.

Except they were so obvious about it that he came off as the winner. They cannot even set a proper trap (thank God).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I've been trying to think what the Trump / Vance plan was. Like you said, it was obvious that Vance was there to pick a fight. But I couldn't tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.

Either way, it was disgusting to watch.

[–] Showroom7561 10 points 5 hours ago

But I couldn't tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.

It was a show for Putin. A test of loyalty.

Just look at how they spoke of Putin as if he was reasonable and had reason to be upset with Zelenskyy. Meanwhile, they treated Zelenskyy as if he was the problem.

Trump still denies calling Zelenskyy a dictator... From a few days prior.

[–] [email protected] 179 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

This isn’t about supporting Europe or NATO or Ukraine. This is about not capitulating to a hostile dictatorship that likes to invade other people‘s territories without provocation. 

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's always the same thing, a state that used to work "together" with russia no longer want's to be a slave to russia and work with other countries.

Russia doesn't want that, so they attack.

It happened to Georgia before it happened to Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I can’t find it right now, but there was actually an interview where someone asked Donald Trump about the Russian invasion of the Crimea area and he didn’t know how to respond & came off sounding like a complete dickhead 

[–] [email protected] 48 points 15 hours ago

Exactly. How much of your country and resources will you be willing to give up when Russia and their useful idiot comes knocking? If the answer isn't everything, you should probably help Ukraine make a stand now before the "peace deal" results in loosened sanctions and before Russia starts to re-arm.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

If anyone wants to show their feelings this is a great time to donate to Zelensky's fund to help Ukraine.

I hope it blows up and next time he's at the white house Zelensky can use his time in front of the media to thank us for donating huge amounts... biggest donations ever seen... Lol

https://u24.gov.ua/projects

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

Do you know if they still support BTC donations? There were tweets about it a couple years ago but nothing on the main site says they do.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Thoughts and prayers?

How about organising to recall your Republican Congress members for failing to perform their constitutional duty?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Where did I say that's all someone should do, or all that I did?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago

I've been seeing this attitude a lot the last few days "I see that you're doing something, but it's not a total and immediate fix, so fuck off". And you just know that the ones doing the criticizing haven't done and don't plan to do jackshit, because that same mindset justifies inaction in themselves. Either this place as a terrible pessimism problem (believable, Occam's razor and all that) or there's some people being actively, intentionally discouraging (idk, I don't doubt it. I've seen crazier propaganda).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

How do I know that is an official or direct donation

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago

I was skeptical too so I looked it up, it's real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United24

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago

that site sits on .gov.ua, this is for various official things for government of Ukraine

like with any other country that has such presence

[–] SpaceCowboy 11 points 14 hours ago

Because Luke Skywalker said it's legit? https://youtu.be/jDEqM3-hQuQ

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

Just donated!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago

Also worth noting, a lot of public radio stations / NPR affiliates are doing their winter public pledge drives right now, and money will help them fund off defunding and legal attacks from the Trump administration.

If you like what little good journalism we have left in America. Donate.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

‘Merican here. Sorry EU. But you’re gonna have to take the lead here, I think. And I’m glad you are.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

European here. Sorry America, but you're going to have to step up and remove your corrupt leaders I think. And I'll be happy when you do.


I'm getting a bit pissed off with this type of message.

  1. We already have been leading. Funds and weapons have been relatively free flowing from European nations. Getting anything out of the US has been like pulling teeth even under Biden.
  2. We know a shit ton of burden has fallen on us because a nation we considered a friend has turned traitor. You're not telling us anything new.
  3. As a US citizen you can't wash your hands of the fact that your leadership is corrupt. "Oh, sorry!". They're your collective responsibility. You all put them there. Only you can replace them. Get off your arse and organise.
[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

It certainly was a kick to the European diplomatic nuts and removed any doubt if reasonable negotiation is possible. Niet l now it's clear on what they're dealing with for the war, NATO and trade.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I do hope that Trump is the galvanizing force that pushes the people of the EU (and perhaps others) towards Ukraine support, as well as everything else Trump and the right hate. The far right is gaining too much support, but if your average right leaning or moderate EU citizen sees just how bad it's working out for the US, it might chill that movement a bit. At least, I hope so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think the right-leaning EU citizens recognise this as a problem with the right. It's too easy to say this is "an America specific problem" and "We'd never vote in a dumbass such as Trump."

I honestly think this kind of learning will happen here absolutely not at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, unfortunately with how people think, you're probably right. The average person anywhere isn't noticing a global trend here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I do hope that Trump is the galvanizing force that pushes the people of the EU (and perhaps others) towards Ukraine support, as well as everything else Trump and the right hate

Why do you think that the EU and others haven't been supporting Ukraine? They have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Did I imply that? EU has done more than the US on this issue, but to galvanize in this context means to excite or stimulate. After 3 years it's rather easy to grow complacent, and scenes like this remind people to remain pissed off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yes you did imply that.

To "push someone towards supporting Ukraine" implies that they are not currently and have not been supporting them. You can't move towards a position you currently hold.

You could have said "I hope it strengthens their support" or "...pushes them to continue supporting...". I reacted because there's lots of people in the US thinking Europe has done nothing and it's all been the US, which is straight Trump/Putin disinformation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago