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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

    I use both of these systems daily. They have some issues but are just fine for me. Honestly, they are just opposite extremes and I repeat that. They each chose a side.

    Whereas windows makes me scream. It’s absolute horseshit that pretends to claim some middle ground that makes no one happy.

    [–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    The post refers SSHFS which is based upon FUSE, a very neat technology in the Linux kernel which allows a non-kernel develloper - says a python developer-to turn anything into a hierarchy of files and folders, that you can access and modify with your regular local applications. When I says anything, I'm dead serious, FUSE may turn the whole internet into a fake browsable tree of local files on your system. On windows, you have to write a fake disk driver to mimic a fraction of the feature. I don't know ios but I guess Apple wouldn't never allow such a wizardry by design.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

    Only tangentially related, since I don't think NBD uses FUSE, but may I present Harder Drive

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Also Windows: "Ask your network administrator for access."
    Me: "Well I'm my own network administrator so what questions do you want me to ask myself"?
    Windows: "Enter network username and password."
    Me: There is no network username or password. Sod it, I'll bung them on an external disk.

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    That's a security quirk. Microsoft reeeeeally doesn't want you to do anonymous SMB anymore, and with every version of Windows, Microsoft has made is more complicated to get it working like that. It's probably still possible, but easier just to make a quick local user account and assign it read/write permissions to the share. Samba on Linux can still do it without as much fuss, but I've long since just accepted the extra step.

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    [–] [email protected] 128 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    I have a mac I use for some specific tasks. I’ll agree the Apple is, ehh, Apple.

    But mounting network fileshares is dead simple. My SMB share pops right up, authentication works fine, the user interface for it is fine. If I wanted to use it remotely, I’d just export it over my tailnet.

    ’sshfs’ is good for short stints of brief use, but ultimately it breaks on a protocol level as soon as your socket dies, on any OS.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Both the default network mounting options in Gnome and KDE won’t let applications access the network drive. You have to mount using SMB4k or cifutils if you want application access. I’ve not used MacOS in over a decade but that functionality works seamlessly in windows for SMB shares. It’s honestly a minor reason (among others) I went back to windows.

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    [–] [email protected] 85 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    Love how this meme once again shows a Linux terminal command (that only works on specific distros) instead of what most users would want (which would work on almost any user-friendly distro), the button in the File Manager to add the network share to your left sidebar.

    Somehow people still believe CLI commands are superior, meanwhile people who just want to get Linux-unrelated shit done (that isn't IT-related either) don't understand what exactly happens here and won't be able to permanently add the share to their file browser this way. Y'know, the way most people would use it in their daily workflow.

    Where Apple fails in proper software integration, Linux fails in feature communication. Instead of properly integrating features (Apple) or providing/focusing on doing things intuitively and accessibly (Linux), both want the user to start thinking their way. And I fucking hate it, it prevents Linux from becoming more popular.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    How is sshfs source target distro-specific? That would work anywhere. What would confuse the user is GUI, because we have about 5 major DEs and 10 major file managers that usually don't even work with sshfs without extra plugins.

    [–] [email protected] -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    We also have ~5 major package managers (which all work differently) with usually 20 different package names depending on the repo, and you chose to ignore that part.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    I ignore that part because it doesn't pose a problem for the user. If you're on a distro X, you know what command to type to install a package using its package manager. For the same reason, OP didn't care to explain how to power on your computer. Or do you expect a meme to be a comprehensive guide on how to install sshfs on all major distros? Really? Maybe the real problem is that some people don't understand what a meme is.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

    You clearly didn't understand the point of my original rant. Also no, people don't necessarily know how to use the package manager via CLI. Tools like Discover and Gnome Software exist for a reason, and people who feel more comfortable using them (instead of a CLI, which is a literal black box to common people) get harshly ignored by people who argue exactly like you. This is about accessibility, and these exact discussions are the reason I'm pissed.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

    Oh, I understand. I just don't expect a meme to solve the accessibility issues. People do use the CLI, they find it convenient, and there is no reason why they can't make a meme with terminal commands. What I don't understand is why you act like Linux or OP owe you something. We already have macOS, which offers a fantastic user experience, and we have Windows, which provides some middle ground. Let Linux be Linux. You can also create 'memes with more accessibility' if that's what you think the issue is.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

    Dude, I just ranted. I don't expect this meme to do anything, neither does anyone owe me something. It just showed this general vibe in the community about what they think is "simple" I had the desire to call out here because I think it can be harmful to common users. So I engaged in discourse about this aspect. If you see it differently that's fine, we probably won't be friends. Outside of jokes (which I thought I made clear by specifically marking it as a rant) I will keep working on changing desktop' Linux public image away from only-for-CLI-nerds towards a potentially user-friendly option for everyone (potentially = the distros made to be like that) even if you don't like that.

    Whatever you think you understand, it certainly isn't my point. "Let Linux be Linux" makes me question whether you even understand how divers "Linux" is.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

    I'm not going to stop you. I just doubt that ranting under memes is going to leave a dent on the universe.

    [–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    You can click your way to the same feature in Nautilus. No need to even see a terminal.

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    [–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    My biggest problem with Linux is that there are 8 ways to solve any problem. Some of these are distro specific, and all of them are THE definitive way to do it depending on who you ask. This comes up for me most when I want to make a change to something or do it again on a new machine.

    For adding another network drive, for example I think oh it's called samba right and open the terminal and type in samba help. The response is: command not found do you want to install "samba-dc"? Okay so not samba. Oh that's right I edited a file. Now was it smb.conf? No wait maybe it was fstab.

    It is getting easier as I get more familiar, but I have to wrap my head around every new thing that I want to do. It's no wonder people don't have the patience.

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    [–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Wouldn't you just use AFS, CEPH, NFS, or 9p?

    I really don't want to be that guy, but isn't SSHFS (FUSE) actually a terrible option when compared to an actual file-system? MacOS isn't really missing out on much there.

    The most painful part of MacOS (which makes it downright unbearable for me) is that system configuration files are XML. It's an absolute nightmare.

    [–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    SSHFS uses SFTP which is built into SSH, so no server to install. Its not as fast as NFS, but requires no setup. For something small like a home lab, that is a big advantage.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

    This. Surely not the fastest way to get content from/to a remote computer, but it just works as soon as you enable sshd.

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

    SSHFS is very mature. I use it for administering several home servers.

    It works so well that they added a mode where some users can have SFTP only access (without SSH shell) so you can set up shared directories. It was easier to set up (for me) than CIFS or NFS.

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    SSHFS is secure and works well over the internet. If you only want to access it over the LAN, then NFS is a much better option.

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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (22 children)

    I think you mean "sudo pacman" not "apt", wow. fake linux (gendered diminutive).

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Isn't MacOS based on a Unix kernel? Or did they evolve away from the core principle of treating everything as a file?

    [–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    You’re correct. Also you can sync files across all devices, built in. The meme is a bit fart sniffy.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    What’s the best way to do the file syncing?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

    Syncthing

    Works flawlessly on every platform (even mobile ones)

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    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

    Macos kernel is a mix of freebsd and mach. It's half UNIX from BSD side.

    It's currently growing up like a teen wanting to be business major cause they resent their artist dad for being an artist or a math teacher instead of working in finance.

    "Oh what does my dad do for living? He is like that redhat linux, in a way."

    [–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    I have this problem with Android. Google has turned the filesystem into unusable garbage, so you're lucky, if you can launch a gallery app with a file path and it allows you to actually go through the images in that folder.

    And of course, that's with a local file path, so the situation is completely hopeless when your images are on a network share. Unless the gallery app itself implements the network protocol, you're out of luck.
    Wanna guess how often that happens? Yeah, it simply doesn't. Even if it's theoretically just a library, when you build it into the gallery app, that dev has to continually maintain and test it.

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    [–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Running both Linux and macOS on a daily basis… They’re both completely competent, and have basically the same amount of rough edges once you dig in and get your hands dirty. If you find one of them impossibly difficult, it’s a skill issue.

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    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Why nobody mentions samba?? That is the only thing I knew

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

    Samba (and NFS) require you to set shares up on the server's side. With sshfs, you don't need anything but a ssh login to your server. Black magic

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    [–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    I just wish both these platforms would get some modern remote desktop support built in. Remoting into Mac/linux vs Windows desktops feels like dealing with tech from completely different time periods.

    Thank god most of my Linux remote work is ssh on the cli.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (20 children)

    You.. want remote desktop on kernel level?

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    [–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    I use nfs shares for this use case.

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    [–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    My SO has a MacBook, and I thought no sweat, I'm sure I can just autofs or something onto the NAS so that the photo storage is always there. I was wrong. Why dies it have to be such a pain? So clunky, so unreliable.

    [–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

    Why dies it have to be such a pain?

    Intentionally bad, if you buy Apple you're supposed to use iCloud and never, ever leave the ecosystem.

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    [–] MadMadBunny 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    What are you talking about? SMB on MacOS is crazy reliable!

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